The Roswell Chicken Man

[chickened]

What reasons do you have for rejecting even the idea of a fair social system? Why would it bankrupt the US economy? I don't know of any country that he been bankrupted by its social programme.

Take Germany as an example. It has a full set of benefits and protections and is doing well even through the world recession. Britain has not done so well through the recession but still everyone has full health care, including preventative care for women and people over 60 years, unemployment and disability benefits, a good State pension scheme and a good education system. Social housing and other benefits are available for those forced from their homes and even before that happens the State helps the unemployed with rents and mortgage payments.

I know many people from countries that have such benefits and none would wish to see them go.

It's all paid for through taxes, of course, with employers contributing a substantial share of the cost. However, most in regular employment live reasonably comfortably with their own transport and homes and no shortage of food despite their tax obligations.

I maintain that strong social programmes are beneficial not only to citizens but also to the economy. I have lived with such a programme since I was two years old and don't regret any of the taxes that I have paid for it.

I suppose that the well healed who can pay for all of their own needs, whether employed, healthy or not, may be tempted to resent paying taxes that benefit others, but that's a mistaken attitude. Firstly, taxpayers already fund social benefits such as roads and government agencies. Secondly, we are considering here moral obligations in societies where some of its members fall upon hard times. If one believes in 'me, me, me and blow everyone else' fair enough, but I thought that most of us here live by a creed or set of personal beliefs that are better than that. I won't start quoting the New Testament because that's not my thing but I hope my meaning is clear.

At least, if you have never experienced State schemes such as those I have described, consider the possible benefits for individuals and society in general before rejecting the idea.

We are not Germany in case you haven't noticed. And they are benefiting from our help actually and it won't be long before they collapse also.

I'm not sure why a thread about a fellow chicken raiser who was driven to suicide is now a debate on socialism. Doesn't make sense.

I agree...

 

[LIBERTYNY]

I'm not sure why a thread about a fellow chicken raiser who was driven to suicide is now a debate on socialism. Doesn't make sense.

neither does socialism , don't know any countrys that went bankrupt becouse of socialism- first america second grease ect. ect. ect. hell most of them

Back on topic : He may not have committed suicide - I know you liberals are not going to trust infowars ( I don't blame you) But their are other links their



» City of Roswell, GA, bullies Andrew Wordes to death over his backyard chickens Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

 

[thaiturkey]

What a pity that this thread has been hijacked, like so many others, when it could have been useful and interesting.

It's about social values - neighbourliness if you like. The kind of society that would avoid harassment on behalf of profiteers and the powerful and avoid the desperate situation that was created in the case mentioned by the OP. Those who complain about political beliefs are the ones who have brought them into the thread. Fairness and caring for each other in society has nothing to do with politics.

Yes, I had noticed that 'we' are not Germany. Neither is the rest of the Western world that tries to care for its people and minimise the kind of exploitation that led to that poor man's suicide. Some of 'we', whoever you are, might learn from others instead of saying to the shaving mirror, 'I'm all right, jack, **** the rest of you'.

Apologies to others for the rant but I'm angry that politics and nationalism should have been brought into this, yet again.

 

[chickened]

What a pity that this thread has been hijacked, like so many others, when it could have been useful and interesting.

It's about social values - neighbourliness if you like. The kind of society that would avoid harassment on behalf of profiteers and the powerful and avoid the desperate situation that was created in the case mentioned by the OP. Those who complain about political beliefs are the ones who have brought them into the thread. Fairness and caring for each other in society has nothing to do with politics.

Yes, I had noticed that 'we' are not Germany. Neither is the rest of the Western world that tries to care for its people and minimise the kind of exploitation that led to that poor man's suicide. Some of 'we', whoever you are, might learn from others instead of saying to the shaving mirror, 'I'm all right, jack, **** the rest of you'.

Apologies to others for the rant but I'm angry that politics and nationalism should have been brought into this, yet again.

Fair for who? whining about fairness is like watching a man drown and yelling swim.

 

[speckledhen]

Closed for cleanup after going WAY off track. Geez, people!

ETA: On second thought, it's staying closed. It was off track from the first reply.