There are shows, and then there are shows...

You know what? Anyone can point to an extreme and say that person at that end is wrong or the one at the other definetley has a screw loose. What I am trying to ask is that people stop being so judgemental about what is the only "right" way to view a chicken or other livestock animal. There is a lot of sterotyping that goes on in these discussions about people who treat thier animals like pets. I have kept poultry for 25 years. I have had dozens of other livestock animals. I am sophisticated enough to be able to view my animals as individuals and as livestock. I can understand thier general purpose and select breeder birds. But, I would never talk down to people who keep thier birds just as pets and insult them. I don't know them, how dare I make assumptions about thier maturity or thier quality of life? I am not talking about "extremists on either end of the spectrum, who are cruel. Leave that out of it, because that's not who we are talking about and I think that's just a way to try to discard the validity of the points of view of people who do things differently. I have spoken up because I feel that people are bashing others for caring for thier chickens in a different way and who have a different relationship with them. Showing chickens or raising them for a long time like I have does not make me the ultimate authority to name call others and to diss other people for how they relate to thier animals. Honestly, I don't understand the amount of venom I see spewed out against these people on a regular basis.
 
I'm new to chickens. Don't have any yet, in fact haven't even built my coop. However, I do have extensive experience showing horses.
It seems to me as far as the quality or prestige of a given show, it's the same as horses. Some breeds even rank their shows by levels based on the total number of entries. Of course, it's more prestigous to win over multiple entries, and more prestigous to win at the World Championship show versus the local "Open" show. It's assumed that the more entries you have, the better the overall quality will be. Sometimes, it's not always true.
One big difference I'm seeing is that in horse shows, there is almost always a winner. It's a rare occasion, particularly in a conformation class, for the only horse(s) in the class to be disqualified. It has to be a MAJOR fault, ie off-bite. Maybe the SOP for chickens is more particular than it is for most horse breeds.
I don't completely understand people thinking that just because their animal wins the class that it is necessarily excellent quality. I see it as "my animal was the best one in that class." I know there are horses out there better than mine, I've seen them! I can see however, where someone not familar with showing animals might think that.
As for pets vs livestock... They're all pets to me. I personally, cannot eat something I have raised. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with doing that. I don't mind other people doing that. I just can't do it myself. I love to eat homegrown meat, I just don't want to know it before I eat it. Does that make sense? Now, on the other hand, among my livestock, I do have favorites. I have some that I can sell in a heartbeat without batting an eye. Then, I have a couple that even my hubby knows outrank him.

BTW, can anyone direct me to a good thread on the basics of showing chickens? It's something I might like to try someday.
 
I think the vast majority of people on BYC are extremely respectful to different views. People disagree, but that is life. We are never all going to agree on anything. That is just not possible. In the scheme of life, disagreeing about whether a chicken is a "pet" or not is so insignificant. I, personally, believe that if someone wants to consider their chickens pets, that is totally fine. I certainly don't think any less of them. I can only speak for myself and my chickens are *not* pets. Disagreeing with someone is not tantamount to being "venomous". If anything frustrates me personally it is that people think having a different opinion is some sort of attack or a proverbially line drawn in the sand, over which we can never cross because we hate the people on the other side. It is so silly, it is laughable. We are talking about chickens, not world peace.
 
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In all species, you have people that think showing animals is cruel. They think in order to be "happy" all animals should be roaming free in their "natural beauty." What people don't realize is that we've domesticated animals so much now, that they don't always do well in the wild. Besides, an animal's perception of "happiness" is vastly different than ours. If "happiness" is being "free," then why does my puppy go in her crate and lay down when she's sleepy? Why do my horses gladly go in their stalls after being in a pasture? I know if I was a critter, I would rather live in safe comfort than out in the cold worrying about trying to find dinner or who's dinner I'm going to become.
 
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In all species, you have people that think showing animals is cruel. They think in order to be "happy" all animals should be roaming free in their "natural beauty." What people don't realize is that we've domesticated animals so much now, that they don't always do well in the wild. Besides, an animal's perception of "happiness" is vastly different than ours. If "happiness" is being "free," then why does my puppy go in her crate and lay down when she's sleepy? Why do my horses gladly go in their stalls after being in a pasture? I know if I was a critter, I would rather live in safe comfort than out in the cold worrying about trying to find dinner or who's dinner I'm going to become.

I really have to ask what my statement has to dio with what you wrote. There is no connection that I can see. Clairify please.
 
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Many people say very unkind and in my opinion venomous things about people who keep chickens as pets. It's something I have noticed from day one on this site. I have not at any time said people have to agree or disagree. What I am saying is that there is a very negative tone and range of comments that are hostile and often uncalled for. I disagree with people all the time, but I try to do it with respect. I canstantly see name calling and disdain for people who have chickens as anything other than "livestock". I find this behavior offensive and I agree that it seems pretty childish and as I wrote in my last post, I don't understand why there is so much venom directed towards the people who have chickens as pets. It doesn't bother me, here in the USA people should be allowed to treat thier own animals how they want. (Within reason)
 
Well, my thoughts are as follows...

Folks that show chickens have to start somewhere. The only way to learn is by experience when it comes to showing, either through a mentor or by personal experience. One should not be so quick to criticize those who are new to showing since they are learning. Just think back to when you first started showing. Did you know everything? I would suggest, no, you did not, and neither did I. For a person who has never shown before, there is a lot of learn. Some things include judging procedures (including coop-in and coop-out, NPIP testing, show "codes" such as BB, etc... lots!).

I can see a person who really wants to learn how to show their chickens in order to breed better towards the standard for their breed, and get very frustrated.
 
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Honestly I have found you very judgmental in your posts.

I'm sorry you feel that way, if you would like ,we can discuss it privately. PM me. I would guess that it has come off that way to you because I have not spoken up about this issue despite seening many instances of hostile statements made against people with pet chickens. Did you read the posts before i posted? Those were some pretty judgemental and unkind things being said about a lot of different people. I have made no statement other than people who show have emotional entaglement with thier birds too, and that I felt that people are being very negative towards other people with a different view of chickens. I don't think asking people not to be so mean to each other about thier views is judgemental.

I'm leaving this thread before it gets locked. It's really gone off on a tangent.
 
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