They want to make it ALL illegal. What do you think of Senate Bill 510

[draye]

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It will pop up under another bill #, hidden somewhere, behind something else.

The trick will be for them to ammend an existing bill.
This is where you kill any language that is an issue.
This is more than likely the case.
Having said that..you have to realize that more Americans are reading the ingrediiants on the label
and holding the politicians feet to the fire.
Look at what just happened in November.

Obama, Nance, Harry............... they invented the ..........TEA party...............
Just like Gore invented the internet.

Where did you get that Obama and these others youy listed invented the tea party? I thin k you need to go back and look again. They have nothing to do with the Tea Partiers, they do not like them.

 

[NYREDS]

President Obama signed The Food Safety Modernization Act into law on 1/4/11.

Oh & BTW-the United States was one of the charter members of the United Nations.

 

[BlackBart]

Thats what I understood, it had been signed. There was a small article about it on the International News.
I think he pretty much had to sign and I wouldn't be surprised "they" were holding the pen for him as he signed........

I couldn't remember when the USA joined, its been awhile since high school world history.

 

[ivan3]

NYREDS wrote: President Obama signed The Food Safety Modernization Act into law on 1/4/11.

Specifically: H.R. 2751/P.L. 111-353 FDA Food Safety Modernization Act (Jan. 4, 2011; 124 Stat.3885). Should be available as SLIP on GPO in 30 days: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/home.action

Final language (and debate) prior to vote: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2010-12-21/pdf/CREC-2010-12-21-pt1-PgH8861.pdf#page=3

Vote on approval of Senate amendments: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll661.xml

FDA description: http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm237758.htm Description by law firm that serves grocers (nice overview): http://www.gpmlaw.com/resources/food-safety-modernization-act.aspx
FDA Q&A on registration of facilities (prior to 210/2751) which won't change for at least 18 months - required by this law (they have to perform research/hearings/etc. on promulgation of any new regulations - stay tuned to FDA site as this material will be posted):
http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceCom...odDefenseandEmergencyResponse/ucm082703.htm#b

Here is the page on Q&A of interim final rule on amendments to the Food Drug and Cosmetic Act (to bring it into conformance with the 2002 `Bioterrorism' Law) : http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodDefense/Bioterrorism/FoodFacilityRegistration/ucm081616.htm
Any future changes will be discussed in a similar fashion.

Changes, if any (depending on definition of `small entity', etc.) will occcur in the following: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=1 :

FDC Act (Chapter IV (U.S.C. Subchapter 4) Food Maintenance and inspection of Records (FD&C Act # 414./U.S. Code Section # - 21 U.S.C 350c.)

http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInform...icActFDCAct/FDCActChapterIVFood/ucm107899.htm

`Facilities Defined': Registration of Food Facilities (FD&C Act # 415/U.S. Code Section # - 21 U.S.C. 350d)

http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInform...icActFDCAct/FDCActChapterIVFood/ucm107910.htm

List of exclusions - those who won't be bothered: (FDA's implementation of the 2002 Bioterrorism Act - actually expanded exclusion list under new law)

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/G...FoodDefenseandEmergencyResponse/UCM113877.pdf​

 

[Talihofarms]

Quote:
The trick will be for them to ammend an existing bill.
This is where you kill any language that is an issue.
This is more than likely the case.
Having said that..you have to realize that more Americans are reading the ingrediiants on the label
and holding the politicians feet to the fire.
Look at what just happened in November.

Obama, Nance, Harry............... they invented the ..........TEA party...............
Just like Gore invented the internet.

Where did you get that Obama and these others youy listed invented the tea party? I thin k you need to go back and look again. They have nothing to do with the Tea Partiers, they do not like them.

The TEA party has become what it is due to .. Obumer and Nancy and Dingy Harry.
Forcing through legislation that a MAJORITY of Americans do not support. Thus the whole movement is gaining momentum in order to stop a socialist agenda forced on the Americans.
Americans who two years ago didn't even bother voting.
They have taken to protesting what this current president has forced upon the People.
For those who are in denial about this Novembers sweeping changes I can only say "" Thanks Barry"

2012 will be a reflection of what the American people want.( Some will continue believing in the "Hoax and Change")
I support the TEA party Folks 100%.

 

[lorieMN]

Quote:
Where did you get that Obama and these others youy listed invented the tea party? I thin k you need to go back and look again. They have nothing to do with the Tea Partiers, they do not like them.

The TEA party has become what it is due to .. Obumer and Nancy and Dingy Harry.
Forcing through legislation that a MAJORITY of Americans do not support. Thus the whole movement is gaining momentum in order to stop a socialist agenda forced on the Americans.
Americans who two years ago didn't even bother voting.
They have taken to protesting what this current president has forced upon the People.
For those who are in denial about this Novembers sweeping changes I can only say "" Thanks Barry"

2012 will be a reflection of what the American people want.( Some will continue believing in the "Hoax and Change")
I support the TEA party Folks 100%.

 

[BlackBart]

Wow ivan3 great research !!

The United Nations is forcing the Food Safety Bills in every country that belongs to it.

Why do some people still think it is a in-house political problem? Look and read beyond your borders.
The Food Safety Bill isn't going away despite who you vote in. 20 years from now it will be here in one form or another.

 

[NYREDS]

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I'm 62. It's been awhile for me as well.

 

[lightfoot]

Quote:
Specifically: H.R. 2751/P.L. 111-353 FDA Food Safety Modernization Act (Jan. 4, 2011; 124 Stat.3885). Should be available as SLIP on GPO in 30 days: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/home.action

Final language (and debate) prior to vote: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2010-12-21/pdf/CREC-2010-12-21-pt1-PgH8861.pdf#page=3

Vote on approval of Senate amendments: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll661.xml

FDA description: http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm237758.htm Description by law firm that serves grocers (nice overview): http://www.gpmlaw.com/resources/food-safety-modernization-act.aspx
FDA Q&A on registration of facilities (prior to 210/2751) which won't change for at least 18 months - required by this law (they have to perform research/hearings/etc. on promulgation of any new regulations - stay tuned to FDA site as this material will be posted):
http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceCom...odDefenseandEmergencyResponse/ucm082703.htm#b

Here is the page on Q&A of interim final rule on amendments to the Food Drug and Cosmetic Act (to bring it into conformance with the 2002 `Bioterrorism' Law) : http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodDefense/Bioterrorism/FoodFacilityRegistration/ucm081616.htm
Any future changes will be discussed in a similar fashion.

Changes, if any (depending on definition of `small entity', etc.) will occcur in the following: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=1 :

FDC Act (Chapter IV (U.S.C. Subchapter 4) Food Maintenance and inspection of Records (FD&C Act # 414./U.S. Code Section # - 21 U.S.C 350c.)

http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInform...icActFDCAct/FDCActChapterIVFood/ucm107899.htm

`Facilities Defined': Registration of Food Facilities (FD&C Act # 415/U.S. Code Section # - 21 U.S.C. 350d)

http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInform...icActFDCAct/FDCActChapterIVFood/ucm107910.htm

List of exclusions - those who won't be bothered: (FDA's implementation of the 2002 Bioterrorism Act - actually expanded exclusion list under new law)

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/G...FoodDefenseandEmergencyResponse/UCM113877.pdf

THANK YOU FOR THE FINE TRACKING. HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TILL WE MUST CULL THE FLOCK TO LIMIT EGGS TO WHAT WE CAN CONSUME OUR SELVES. NO MORE GIFTS TO FOOD BANKS.

 

[ivan3]

lightfoot wrote: THANK YOU FOR THE FINE TRACKING. HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TILL WE MUST CULL THE FLOCK TO LIMIT EGGS TO WHAT WE CAN CONSUME OUR SELVES. NO MORE GIFTS TO FOOD BANKS.

Oh, probably when some prez or other signs leg. into law that nixes 42 U.S.C. Section 1771 et. seq: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00001791----000-.html (your local or state law may differ).

Until then:

(c) Liability for damages from donated food and grocery products
(1) Liability of person or gleaner
A person or gleaner shall not be subject to civil or criminal liability arising from the nature, age, packaging, or condition of apparently wholesome food or an apparently fit grocery product that the person or gleaner donates in good faith to a nonprofit organization for ultimate distribution to needy individuals

Federal and State tax advantages still accrue to `gleaners'. Here, in Missouri, such donations of Ag. products are solicited. Ag. Dept. plants Veg. garden near State House and donates harvest to nonprofits. Columbia Farmer's market is now able to translate fed. food support paper into real money, etc. (Columbia Farmer's Market inspections make the FDA look like whimps: http://www.columbiafarmersmarket.org/rules.shtml#Rules ):

B. Farm Inspections: Vendors may sell only their own products as per Rule 1. The resale of any products that are not grown or produced by the member/vendor, in the area as defined in Rule 4.B, is strictly forbidden. The Board of Directors or its representative(s) reserves the right to inspect any participant or member's farm by appointment, to ensure compliance with market rules and regulations. This will include random inspections. The primary purpose of a farm inspection will be to determine whether the participant or member is in fact producing all that he or she is selling at the market. Upon notification, participant or member must make all production areas available within three (3) days. Refusal to allow inspection is grounds for indefinite suspension. A decision regarding the inspection must be rendered six (6) days from completion of inspection, to be delivered in writing. Any member/vendor found to be in violation of this rule will be immediately expelled from the market without refund of any fees.

Cong. Research Service on Farmer's markets in 2006: http://www.nationalaglawcenter.org/assets/crs/RS21652.pdf and they continue to expand.

The new law tightens up the inspection schedules for ALREADY REGULATED FACILITIES so much that, if I owned a regulated facility and wasn't very `tidy' about manufacture and distribution, I'd not be losing much sleep:

Sorry, FDA can NOW actually REQUIRE ALREADY REGULATED FACILITIES to produce the records that they were required to maintain under the 2002 `bioterrorism' law, but the FDA inspectors couldn't levy a fine for not producing records during inspections - pretty good lobbying during implementation of 2002 law, eh? - was akin to a cop asking if I had a driver's license and I replied that I did and his asking to see it and my refusing and his saying `thanks, have a nice day'. FDA can now prevent `PORT SHOPPING' by foreign importers, i.e., were, until now, able to try to enter U.S. at another port of entry if FDA rejected the load at another (guess the FDA didn't share the info at one port with others?).

Actually, the class of folks who are impacted (because some blogs started posting up the `rules' for ALREADY REGULATED FACILITIES as somehow being applied to everyone - didn't read S510 down to the point where it stated that the bill conformed with 415 of the FD&C - all the existing exclusions weren't posted on the blogs???) are previously UNREGULATED FARMS that, under the `sop' Tester/Hagan amendment, make $500,000 and now have to file paperwork and may be inspected in -oh, maybe- 7 years from now...
(it is important to note that 2002 law and (unamended) S510 excluded `FARMS' - didn't say what size - dollar valuation).

Now, if anyone has anything specific to offer to `amend' the above info. I'm all ears.

Got to come back to the real problem: the reason for the original 2002 bioterrorism act (which S510 was just cleaning up) was fear (remember the folks who wrapped their houses in plastic and died?). The court decisions arising from the War on Some Drugs is how the Feds ALREADY get in one's yard. The resulting expansion of the Interstate Commerce Clause as interpreted by the Supreme Court pretty much encourages Fed Agencies to interpret their regs expansively `your' activity is not interstate commerce but it is `bound up inextricably with interstate commerce'. Of course, until most Americans decide that sacrificing our freedom and the lives/property of innocent citizens, in order to prevent the voluntary ingestion of some substance or other by other citizens, is immoral, evil and an anathema to our values, then FEAR will drive the decisions and the feds to one's door - not one's cucumbers and eggs: http://www.lohud.com/article/2010101150330
(though, if they wanted one's cucumbers and eggs they would cite the ICC decisions - not the Food Safety Law - gotta be careful what one wishes for and writes one's congress critters about).​