This really irks me (Show Quality VS. Non-Show)

[fasbendera]

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That's terrible I saw Bernice and Bella and was wondering if they where worth that. When I sold my flock of LF ameraucana I made sure the person buying them was someone I trusted. I sold 12 birds for what I paid to have two of the pullets shipped to me! But they are in a great BYC home being used for responsibly for breeding.

Can't you report that person on Eggbid? Get him red flagged. They aren't even my birds and that has me spitting tacks for you. I only hope they find a good home. I hope that clown isn't a BYC member and to top it off he is giving the rest of us in MN a bad name.

 

[Chickie'sMoma]

anyone can sell a chick and say it is from SQ stock and get lots of $$$ for it that way, but that doesn't mean the chick will become show quality as an adult. it could just mean it has better qualities and they could just take longer to show or not at all. when you are getting an adult bird you are sure of what you are getting and if you don't know the qualities of the breed you are looking for you should go back to researching the breed and anything about the person you plan on getting the birds from.

unless you've seen the birds in person and the owner's awards up on the wall i wouldn't go by what they told me till i could verify it. most awards for shows are posted online now so it is easy to track if someone says they won a grand award. and many good breeders are out there and well advertised, but unfortunately i've noticed that too many people state that they have birds from X breeders lines. it doesn't mean that they got X breeder's line that were SQ stock or their culls!

i've seen on a couple of hatchery websites that they are selling exhibition quality bantam faverolles for $225 for 25 chicks! now without seeing the parent stock or knowing the breeders name i am very leery of ordering them from someone advertising like that. have they checked for the 5 toes? 5 points on the comb with a magnifying glass? foot feathering on the outer toes? beard and muff?

to me it isn't show quality and worth a lot of $$ till it has been proven by being shown and received an award! until then it is possible show quality and still worth a little more. and at $20 for a bird that is laying is not that much $$ to me since it is also producing eggs. you personally didn't have to spend the money to raise it to get it to that point so you are paying someone else to raise it to that point instead!

right now i am just trying to get my own flock started so if i can find good stock close to me i would prefer to work with that first.

 

[chickieboy]

let don t put down all hatchery stock some of their bird will show like all show breeder you have to hatched out lots andlots to find that 1 bird that has all the show quality to win r place . i not trying to say hatchery hatch to show but sometime agood bird come out . and some hatchery buy stock from breeder ,case in point superior farm who i email a couple week agoes about some blue orp they claim to sell and never got an answer back .Someof their stock came from a breeder who was also a judge in the big chicken show . he was one of the judges at the southeastern oklahoma poulty show in idabel okla when one of my hen who came from mcmurry got reserve champion a fawn old english hen who was brought from dallas fora 100 dollars was grand champion . this was in 1998 r99 i having show since because i move out of state then and sold all my stock . mcmurry brought their blrw als from a breeder .

 

[silkydragon]

it dosnt hurt any1 to ask if you have a cheaper bird i have to get my parents ok 1st which ppl in this area have rir and comets at point of lay $1 each and bantys are $.75 but not much variety in them either most i have paide so far (not counting shipping) is $8 for a pair of sebrights so when i seen silkies on a hatchery site (1st time ive ever seen anything different besides a br) i had to explaine to my parents 2.60 or whatever they were isnt that bad the silkies im using to breed and sit on other eggs becouse the oposite is true of pheasants we bought a pair from a private breeder for $14 but my dad was telling ppl we had them and we got offered $50 for 1 processed ringneck so breeding expensive chickens in my area is pointless so if i see a breeder online ill try and take them down thinking maybe i can get 1 they where just going to cull anyway since i plan on selling my silkies at $15 at the most for adults show quality or not but you should not get mad at some1 for asking for lower price birds and once you sell them they are not youres anymore so if you dont want some1 to turn a profit like that then just say no end of story no bloodshed but it is pointless to get mad it wont get youre money back or youre chickens
theres my long rant

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

I see absolutely no issues in keeping prices high. I "may" sell a rooster for a lower price because let's face it, the Langshan males get HUGE. I think the females are just as gorgeous, but most people want males. I may sell the males for cheaper to a 4H student or something. If nobody is willing to pay what I ask, I have no issues in eating my birds. It helps keep unscrupulous sellers from flooding the "market" shall we say with birds that people pay HIGH prices for, not knowing what they are buying which then floods the show floor with birds that are going to get DQed and then hurts a kid's feelings.

I rambled...


Anyway, I see nothing wrong in maintaining prices...good birds should bring good money.

 

[greathorse]

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I think that a lot of people can get pretty deep into chickens before their experience begins to tell them the distinct difference between birds that get close to the standard and those that have some vague similarity. As we get the experience to know and see the difference some of choose to join those that are interested in keeping breeds closer to the standard (nothing wrong with that). On the other hand some folks just want chickens (nothing wrong with that).

I get a bit disgruntled when folks talk about protecting heritage breeds when they are breeding nothing close to the standard. Nothing wrong with that either except that a very poor breed representation is doing little to keep the true heritage breed alive.

In terms of 4-H I think kids should know and understand the difference between the standard and "a chicken" whether they choose to select the "breeder" stock is up to them, their parents and their wallets. I get why someone cant spend 10 to 50 grand on the perfect horse for a 4-h kid. I don't quite get why a couple dollars more for a bird that meets some standard is something that most don't do. It seems that in the long run the cost is just a bit more than the common birds.

I personally really enjoy keeping birds that fit the standard for the breed. It makes me feel good to look at them and gives me a sense of pride. If non of this is important than that is fine also.

Good luck

 

[Neil Grassbaugh]

I do not recall of any of the many top exhibition poultry breeders that I know ever selling birds by promoting them with the term "Show Quality"

A top breeder may sell a breeding group that they belive will produce birds wtih the genetics to do well but it isn't going to be for a paulty $50 to $100 a head.

An old exhibiton poultry saying-

"When you breed a $3 chicken to a $3 chicken you get $3 chickens. Sometimes
you even get $2 chickens."

 

[Neil Grassbaugh]

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VERY WELL SAID!

 

[SilkieTime]

I think it is more about keeping the best and selling the rest. When someone takes the rest and then sales them for the best. That makes it looks like the best is not worth the money. A chicken can look good in a picture but in person you can see the DQ. I think she just wants people to keep the prices equal to the chicken. A fair price so that when she sales a BQ or SQ chicken she can get a fair price.
Just shack it off. People catch on quick and learn where to go to get there moneys worth. A seller that misleads there buyers tells other people and don't come back.
You have nothing to worry about, there will always be people like this around. Just make sure that you do your part to keep people like you around. We thank you

 

[AHappychick]

The whole SQ thing drives me nuts. People want to pay hatchery price and be garanteed a show bird. I can promise some really nice chicks but that is all. When I post pics I take several at different angles and with silkies always include the feet this way they can see for themselves. So many people dont.

Or when you hatch for someone and send pics of the chicks and they start selecting from the pics which ones they want and dont want. I say you get all the chicks that was in your hatch I dont pull out the best for myself, nor will I pull out the possible culls. Just like in preschool you get what you get and dont get upset

I dont know the difference with 4H shows and others but to me wanting a SQ bird and not wanting to pay more for it than you would a pizza or the cost of 1 dinner is absurd to me. How can you walk around expecting people to place ribbons on something that cost the price of a cup of coffee. Now dont get me wrong you can get a bargain batch of chicks from a hatchery and end up with a stunning bird but it is not as likely as buying from a reputable breeder whos stock is more uniform.

I am so tied of being bartered with for a cheaper price. I have bought some very expensive birds and never questioned their price. I recently spoke with a person who was unhappy with another seller when she had a 50% hatch rate on her shipped eggs. I could not believe it and told her she should be very happy for that ratio. People never seem happy yet they walk around with a $500 dog and I bet did not argure with the dog breeder as much as they argue with me.