Like I said, I'm going to keep working on getting them to let me pick them up. I already do the 'in the dark' thing with very low light, but the roo crows all night long anyway and he raises a ruckus at the least little thing. They all come close for treats, but none will let me even put my hand over them to stroke, much less pick up. I assume we'll get there in time. As for the roo, with scaly leg mites, I think I may just butcher him this fall when the young cockerels mature. I have 2 and 1 pullet, 9 weeks old. Roo is the daddy and is a very good rooster for the girls but I'm thinking, if I can get one of the young ones to come to me easily, then I'll get rid of the elder and keep the younger. The bigs still chase off the young ones, so I need to let the bigs out of the pen so I can work with the littles. I have several problems in doing all of this--I work full time, my DH is disabled and needs care before I leave in the morning and once I get home in the evening, and I have vision issues as well as autism spectrum issues (mainly with noises and flapping, just gets me rattled, so I take longer that usual to do anything since I have to wait for everything to be calm before I proceed). Add my age to that and I'm doing good to keep chickens at all. Although I'm seriously thinking to give them up.