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Mine will never have to worry about being slaughtered here.
I'm glad I have the means to raise all the Roos I can just so they won't ever have to worry about being someone's dinner.
Even if I am the only one with a compassionate mindset, I can still have hope that the world still does have good in it, even if it's just a glimmer.


Mine don't worry about it either - they have no idea what their future holds.

Don't confuse flock management with lack of compassion. While my chickens are not pets, they are still well cared for, they have fresh food and water available at all times and are allowed to free range to their hearts' content. They her to live full, happy lives for as long as they get to live.
 
A lot of it is just an excuse to butcher, saying things like how they'll die humanely there or how at least one knows they the Roos were cared for... and how it's too expensive to raise a bird that don't give back... Etc,
That is not true.
Are you a vegan?
Just curious where you are coming from.

Many folks here on BYC grow chickens for foo and that includes meat.
If you are so adamantly against any bird dying for any reason,
this may not be the forum for you.
 
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Mine will never have to worry about being slaughtered here.
I'm glad I have the means to raise all the Roos I can just so they won't ever have to worry about being someone's dinner.
Even if I am the only one with a compassionate mindset, I can still have hope that the world still does have good in it, even if it's just a glimmer.

A lot of it is just an excuse to butcher, saying things like how they'll die humanely there or how at least one knows they the Roos were cared for... and how it's too expensive to raise a bird that don't give back... Etc,
If I may be so bold; slaughtering a bird because it's a roo is never humane, it still suffers and dies. It's not expensive at all to house roosters, and it's not expensive to rehome the Roos can be sold. There are people I'm sure out there that are like me who are willing to take in roosters to live their lives in a sanctuary of sorts. It takes hardly anything to pour out just a little pile of feed even if the feed has to be rationed closely, the Roos can eat grass and bugs too. I know it's not hard because I own I don't know how many Roos of various ages and sizes so I know it's possible. Lastly the Roos to give back, but sadly a butcher will never see that the roo not only has the potential to give love for the owner and protection for the flock, but the roo like us feels pain and even sorrow. I guess continuous butchering and making cruel jokes about that could make one cold to this fact. A chicken knows when they'll be butchered, the fear, disappointed, and sorrow runs deep... The butcher thinks it was quick and humane but that's not always the case or even the truth. If a human can acknowledge things for so many seconds after being beheaded then the same applies to a chicken even more so, in fact there was a chicken many years ago that was to be slaughtered but by some miracle it had enough left perhaps it was the spinal cord working with some brain stem? At any rate the chicken was headless but lived, it's will to survive shocked the owner, so the owner let it live, sadly the bird had no head, the owner had to feed and water it straight down its throat, it's true look it up, and later the bird was put in the circus.


Just read your edited post. I'm not sure where you live, but for about 6 months out of the year, we don't have grass and bugs in abundance for extra birds to eat. And if I'm going to feed them properly and not just enough to keep them alive, it's going to cost money that is better spent on feeding my laying hens and securing my coops and runs better.
And frankly, there is no way to know what a chicken thinks or feels in the moments before or after decapitation or cutting the arteries or jugular veins. Just what we imagine.

If you have the time and resources to keep every rooster that comes along, more power to you. We don't all have that mindset, though. To each his own. You do your thing, but please don't condemn the rest of us for managing our flocks the way we do.

I don't believe for a minute that a chicken survived after being decapitated. The brain is what runs the whole rest of the body - respiratory, circulatory, and digestive. Once those signals are gone, the rest of the body quits working. Period. Just because you read it on the internet (or anywhere else), doesn't make it true.
 
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Actually she has it partially true. There was a rooster with a botched beheading, I think back in the 30's.

The people chopped off part of it's head, basically from the front, at an angle, leaving most of it's brain, they basically cut off the front part of the head, which shows how well chickens can heal.

The poor thing couldn't see and probably suffered through a lot of pain to heal enough for it to be put in a freak show. It chocked to death eventually because it did have to be forced fed through it's esophagus.

I read it in the old farmers almanac, and I saw it as cruelty for profit.

Edited to add, I guess it's how you look at life, and whether you accept death, and the whole circle of life thing. Is the lion cruel who takes up to an hour to strangle his prey in order to stay alive?
 
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Well my 2 cents is in general you hear such negativity about roos, I've had both good and bad, and frankly I believe their behaviour is mostly determined by personality while there are things that can help or make it worse in general, I would wait for them to grow into hormones to see how they will be.
I had 3 roos grow up together, when the last roo came into his hormones he was mr. Dictator wouldn't let anyone eat and tried to kill the roo who used to be his best bud growing up, so in the end you don't know until maybe 4 months old or so how they'll really be bachelor pads don't always work but every situation is unique and roo's distinct personalities are unique as well. The roos breed can determine things I've heard from people's experience that RIR can be a more agressive breed
 
Actually she has it partially true. There was a rooster with a botched beheading, I think back in the 30's.

The people chopped off part of it's head, basically from the front, at an angle, leaving most of it's brain, they basically cut off the front part of the head, which shows how well chickens can heal.

The poor thing couldn't see and probably suffered through a lot of pain to heal enough for it to be put in a freak show. It chocked to death eventually because it did have to be forced fed through it's esophagus.

I read it in the old farmers almanac, and I saw it as cruelty for profit.

Edited to add, I guess it's how you look at life, and whether you accept death, and the whole circle of life thing. Is the lion cruel who takes up to an hour to strangle his prey in order to stay alive?
Yeah, I still wonder how the h3ll that could actually happen.
Talk about selfishness vs suffering...SMH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
 
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 Yeah, I still wonder how the h3ll that could actually happen.
Talk about selfishness vs suffering...SMH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
After rereading the story, poor chicken.
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Just read your edited post. I'm not sure where you live, but for about 6 months out of the year, we don't have grass and bugs in abundance for extra birds to eat. And if I'm going to feed them properly and not just enough to keep them alive, it's going to cost money that is better spent on feeding my laying hens and securing my coops and runs better.
And frankly, there is no way to know what a chicken thinks or feels in the moments before or after decapitation or cutting the arteries or jugular veins. Just what we imagine.

If you have the time and resources to keep every rooster that comes along, more power to you. We don't all have that mindset, though. To each his own. You do your thing, but please don't condemn the rest of us for managing our flocks the way we do.

I don't believe for a minute that a chicken survived after being decapitated. The brain is what runs the whole rest of the body - respiratory, circulatory, and digestive. Once those signals are gone, the rest of the body quits working. Period. Just because you read it on the internet (or anywhere else), doesn't make it true.

Actually the story is VERY true, look up "Mike the headless Chicken". I didn't "read it online" I saw him in an actual documentary...

Mike the Headless Chicken (April 20, 1945 – March 17, 1947), also known as Miracle Mike,[1] was a Wyandotte chicken that lived for 18 months after his head had been cut off. Although the story was thought by many to be a hoax, the bird's owner took him to the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, Utah to establish the facts.[1][2]


Beheading

On September 10, 1945, farmer Lloyd Olsen of Fruita, Colorado was planning to eat supper with his mother-in-law and was sent out to the yard by his wife to bring back a chicken. Olsen chose a five-and-a-half-month-old Wyandotte chicken named Mike. The axe removed the bulk of the head, but missed the jugular vein, leaving one ear and most of the brain stem intact.[3][4]
Due to Olsen's failed attempt to behead Mike, the chicken was still able to balance on a perch and walk clumsily. He attempted to preen, peck for food, and crow, though with limited success; his "crowing" consisted of a gurgling sound made in his throat.[3] When Mike did not die, Olsen instead decided to care for the bird. He fed it a mixture of milk and water via an eyedropper, and gave it small grains of corn.[3]
Fame

Once his fame had been established, Mike began a career of touring sideshows in the company of such other creatures as a two-headed baby. He was also photographed for dozens of magazines and papers, and was featured in Time and Life magazines.[3] Mike was put on display to the public for an admission cost of 25 cents. At the height of his popularity, the chicken's owner earned US$4,500 per month ($48,300 today)[5] and was valued at $10,000.[3]
Death

In March 1947, at a motel in Phoenix on a stopover while traveling back from tour, Mike started choking in the middle of the night. He had managed to get a kernel of corn in his throat. The Olsens had inadvertently left their feeding and cleaning syringes at the sideshow the day before, and so were unable to save Mike. Olsen claimed that he had sold the bird off, resulting in stories of Mike still touring the country as late as 1949. Other sources say that the chicken's severed trachea could not properly take in enough air to be able to breathe, and it therefore choked to death in the motel.[2]
Post mortem

It was determined that the axe had missed the jugular vein[6] and a clot had prevented Mike from bleeding to death. Although most of his head was severed, most of his brain stem and one ear were left on his body. Since basic functions (breathing, heart rate, etc.) as well as most of a chicken's reflex actions are controlled by the brain stem, Mike was able to remain quite healthy. This is a good example of central motor generators enabling basic homeostatic functions to be carried out in the absence of higher brain centres.[6
 
One could say it was cruel to let him live and that makes sense, but if it were not for the botched butchering as a whole he wouldn't have been placed in such a predicament at any rate the will to survive is strong even in animals.
 
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