Too many Ron's!?

[oldhenlikesdogs]

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[bobbi-j]

One could say it was cruel to let him live and that makes sense, but if it were not for the botched butchering as a whole he wouldn't have been placed in such a predicament at any rate the will to survive is strong even in animals.

No, if his owner had been as compassionate as you are (and I truly mean that in a nice way) he would have finished the job properly instead of making the poor bird suffer for 18 months, making money off of that suffering. If it were to have been botched that badly here, the chicken would have been dead in another 30 seconds or less because it would have been corrected quickly.

I agree that the will to live is strong in animals. I have no argument there. I also believe, though, that humans were given dominion over animals to care for and treat as we will. I believe that we are to treat them humanely, but use them for food and clothing as we need. Do you wear leather shoes? Eat a hamburger now and then? Any chicken? Not trying to start anything new here, I'm just wondering. Because if you do, an animal had to die for that to happen. It's a lot neater to pick that styrofoam tray out of the cooler at the grocery store than it is to process your own animals, I will admit that. But I'd sure rather have home-raised animals that were cared for a lot for compassionately than a factory-raised one any day.

And now I think it's time for us to agree to disagree because this whole thing is going nowhere. You will not change my mind (or the minds of others who process their extra roosters or cull inferior birds in their flocks) and we will not change yours.

 

[ILuvMyFlock]

No, if his owner had been as compassionate as you are (and I truly mean that in a nice way) he would have finished the job properly instead of making the poor bird suffer for 18 months, making money off of that suffering. If it were to have been botched that badly here, the chicken would have been dead in another 30 seconds or less because it would have been corrected quickly.

I agree that the will to live is strong in animals. I have no argument there. I also believe, though, that humans were given dominion over animals to care for and treat as we will. I believe that we are to treat them humanely, but use them for food and clothing as we need. Do you wear leather shoes? Eat a hamburger now and then? Any chicken? Not trying to start anything new here, I'm just wondering. Because if you do, an animal had to die for that to happen. It's a lot neater to pick that styrofoam tray out of the cooler at the grocery store than it is to process your own animals, I will admit that. But I'd sure rather have home-raised animals that were cared for a lot for compassionately than a factory-raised one any day.

And now I think it's time for us to agree to disagree because this whole thing is going nowhere. You will not change my mind (or the minds of others who process their extra roosters or cull inferior birds in their flocks) and we will not change yours.

I agree he would have needed to finish it, but in a sense I am truly torn, I wouldn't have wanted the bird to die but I must say that is definitely no life to live... I wish things were different I suppose...

I don't wear leather, I never liked it actually. I do eat hamburgers, and chicken, I must admit I am an on again off again meat eater but if push came to shove and I had to kill my own food to eat it I would go vegetarian and I mean that with all of my heart because I just can't even kill a fly literally...

I know I cannot change people minds, but I cannot help but to be against culling for reasons like the sex of the bird and so forth, now I can understand if someone wants to eat the meat, but I can't condone certain things if that makes sense.

 

[junebuggena]

So you will comfortable with eating commercially raised chicken, but eating a free range cockerel from a backyard flock is something you can't condone.
You realize that commercially raised chicken you eat were only a few weeks old at slaughter, right? You realize they lived horrible, unhealthy lives, and died while they were still cheeping like baby chicks.
By raising my cockerels for food, they get to live as happy and healthy a life as a chicken can. And they live several months longer than those commercially raised birds. And I know that I'm not contributing to that whole inhumane system.

 

[ILuvMyFlock]

So you will comfortable with eating commercially raised chicken, but eating a free range cockerel from a backyard flock is something you can't condone.
You realize that commercially raised chicken you eat were only a few weeks old at slaughter, right? You realize they lived horrible, unhealthy lives, and died while they were still cheeping like baby chicks.
By raising my cockerels for food, they get to live as happy and healthy a life as a chicken can. And they live several months longer than those commercially raised birds. And I know that I'm not contributing to that whole inhumane system.

I never said I was comfortable at all. I do know how they're treated and no I do not condone that. I never said I was against eating meat but I am against killing a bird solely based on its sex, or looks, and so forth.

 

[meetthebubus]

I understand your opinion iluvmyflock, I agree, with you mostly. Personally since owning chickens I have laid off meat 95% I also kept one hen turned roo


I have culled my roos who were beyond help though and it was a heartbreak for me each time so much so that I won't incubate in fear of getting too many roos.

I also understand those that cull regularly or irregularly though I can't do it myself

Hugs to All (()) corny I know

 

[ILuvMyFlock]

I understand your opinion iluvmyflock, I agree, with you mostly. Personally since owning chickens I have laid off meat 95% I also kept one hen turned roo


I have culled my roos who were beyond help though and it was a heartbreak for me each time so much so that I won't incubate in fear of getting too many roos.

I also understand those that cull regularly or irregularly though I can't do it myself

Hugs to All (()) corny I know

Hugs back. I'm glad you understand me, sadly I don't think many others do unfortunately. I've been considering going vegetarian myself, I've been on again off again but I may go back for good. I could never kill my birds so it feels awkward to eat any kind of meat if that makes sense, when I do eat meat I keep thinking of my birds.

 

[aart]

It's not just meat, even eating eggs and cheese puts you in the food chain.

 

[keesmom]

I've been considering going vegetarian myself, I've been on again off again but I may go back for good. I could never kill my birds so it feels awkward to eat any kind of meat if that makes sense, when I do eat meat I keep thinking of my birds.

What about dairy? What do you think happens to all those bull calves born each year? They are butchered because of their sex.

Even if you are a vegan, what happens to many of the small animals and especially birds that are living in those grain crops that are harvested?

 

[ILuvMyFlock]

There's nothing wrong with eating eggs and cheese, especially if the eggs were not fertilized, I'm not a vegan... I always throw some eggs back for the hens to eat, I only seem to eat the eggs rarely anyway. I don't see it as a food chain as the eggs I do eat are never ever fertile, I don't abort my eggs. Again I'm not against eating meat perse but I am against killing birds just because they were born a rooster, and for other silly aesthetic reasons. I know that's hard to grasp and I know that makes me not well liked I get it, but that's just how I feel. I know I more than likely won't change anyone's mind, but I do hope that I could at least make one consider rehousing their Roos that they don't intend to eat or whatever.

Being against culling for certain reasons does not automatically mean I'm for PETA, a vegetarian, or a vegan whatsoever, even though I probably will go back to being a vegetarian because I get truly ill when I eat certain things with Gmos and msgs. Anyway if one culls for meat I'm not necessarily against that, but like the Indians I believe in taking what one can eat and nothing more, many individuals don't do that they go cull happy and kill off chickens just because they were born a rooster, they're sick, or they're feather plucked which is absolutely silly in my opinion. I can maybe understand one or two chickens placed in the freezer but no more than that sorry.

I can't ever cease from recommending keeping chickens and other birds as pets that's just how I am, I never mean to offend anyone, and I don't go in the meat bird forum section because I'm not here to start anything, but in other areas I do feel like I have the right to say something as long as I do so kindly. Again I'm not necessarily against eating meat, but I do think people cull way more than they should. With this last storm here I had a few of the younger geese get weak like even though they were in a chicken tractor, sadly they more than likely would have been culled by someone else, but not here - not ever - I let nature take its course, I Doctor them up and pray, they're all okay, I only had one casualty sadly and he died in the night. I also had a hen get attacked by one of our dogs, she had a literal hole in her back, I had to stitch her up and I'm still doctoring her, I didn't think she'd make it honestly but I prayed and remained hopeful, and here she is now doing fine living inside in the lap of luxury. Sadly she too would have been more than likely culled, see it's easy for some people to just give up, but it's a lot harder to cling to hope, love, and faith and do the right thing. Compassion and love is the most beautiful thing, without it we are nothing, but sadly in today's world it is getting more and more scarce.

Ps. I don't drink milk, I do almond or cashew milk.