Topic of the Week - Deworming chickens

[casportpony]

Quote: and I respect that, that's your choice. The comments from the folks that make Wazine is just more misinformation, because it can be used with zero egg withdrawal in Australia and Canada.

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Those that are concerned can have their vets submit a withdrawal request:
http://cafarad.ucdavis.edu/farmweb/index.aspx

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Quite right, however, they appear to get the same named worms...round, tape, hook to name a few. If the dogs eat worm infected chicken poop..do they then get worms as well ? Thanks for your feedback.

Dog worms:
http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2612&Itemid=2928
Internal parasites (endoparasites, worms, helminths)

Predilection sites are indicated in braquets.
Gastrointestinal roundworms (nematodes)

• Ancylostoma spp. HHH-FFF-CC. Hookworms. (Small intestine and larva migrans). A serious threat for dogs. Worldwide, with different regional incidence for the various species.
• Baylisascaris procyonis. H-F .The raccoon roundworm. (Small intestine and larva migrans). Not a major threat. Only in endemic regions with abundant raccoons.
• Capillaria hepatica. H-F Hairworms. (Liver). Not a major problem. Worldwide, but with different regional incidence.
• Gnathostoma spinigerum. HH-F (Stomach and larva migrans). Usually a secondary problem in some endemic hot and humid regions.
• Gongylonema spp. H-F (Esophagus and stomach). Not a major threat for dogs. Worldwide, but only regionally relevant.
• Physaloptera spp. H-F (Stomach and small intestine). Usually a minor problem in endemic regions.
• Spirocerca lupi. HHH-F (Esophagus). Can be a serious threat for dogs in endemic zones, mainly in tropical and subtropical regions.
• Strongyloides spp. HHH-F-CC Threadworms, pinworms. (Small intestine and larva migrans). A serious threat for dogs, worldwide but especially in warm and humid rergions.
• Toxascaris leonina. H-FF (Small intestine). Usually a minor problem, worldwide.
• Toxocara canis. HHHHH-FFFF-CCC The dog roundworm. (Small intestine and larva migrans). One of themost serious threats for dogs, especially for puppies. Worldwide and very frequent everywhere.
• Trichuris spp. HH-FF Whipworms. (Large intestine and larva migrans). Not the major problem worldwide, but occasionally serious.
• Uncinaria stenocephala. HH-FFF-CC The fox hookworm. (Small intestine and larva migrans). A significant threat worldwide, but usually less serious than other hookworms (e.g. Ancylostoma spp).

Respiratory roundworms (nematodes)

• Crenosoma vulpis. H-F. The fox lungworm. (Trachea, bronchi, bronchioles). Usually a minor problem in the Northern Hemisphere.
• Eucoleus spp. (=Capillaria spp). H-F. Hairworms, nasal worms. (Nasal cavities). Usually a minor issue. Worldwide, but with different regional incidence.
• Metastrongylus elongatus (=M. apri). H-F. (Bronchi, bronchioles). Very occasionally in dogs.

Roundworms (nematodes) in the eyes, skin, heart and other organs

• Angiostrongylus vasorum. HHH-FF. The French heartworm. (Lung arteries, occasionally heart). A serious threat for dogs, mainly in endemic zones in Europe.
• Dioctophyma renale. HH-F. The giant kidney worm. (Kidneys). Can be a significant problem in endemic zones.
• Dirofilaria spp. HHHHH-FFFF. Dog Heartworms. (Lung arteries, occasionally heart). A very serious threat for dogs. Worldwide, but especially in tropical and subtropical regions with abundant mosquitoes.
• Onchocerca lupi . H-F. (Eyes). Occasional problem in endemic regions.
• Pearsonema spp (= Capillaria spp). H-F. Hairworms, bladder worms. (Bladder). usually a minor problem. Worldwide, with varying regional incidence.
• Thelazia spp. H-F. Eyeworms (Eyes). Occasional problem in dogs. Worldwide but with endemic distribution.
• Trichinella spp. H-FF. (Muscle, small intestine). A minor health problem for dogs. Worldwide, but only in endemic zones, mainly in rural regions.

Flukes (trematodes, flatworms)

• Alaria spp. H-F. (Small intestine). Usually a minor issued for dogs. Worldwide, but only in endemic regions.
• Dicrocoelium spp. H-F. Lancet flukes. (Bile ducts and gall bladder). An occasional problem for dogs. Worldwide.
• Fasciola hepatica. HH-F. The common liver fluke. (Biliary ducts and gallbladder). Mostly an uncommon and not very threatening problem for dogs. Worldwide, but mainly in rural regions.
• Heterobilharzia americana. HH-F. The dog Schistosome. (Mesenteric veins). An occasional problem in North America.
• Opisthorchis felineus. H-F. The cat liver fluke. (Hepatic and biliary ducts). Very occasionally found in dogs. Worldwide but only in endemic regions.

Tapeworms (cestodes)

• Dipylidium caninum. H-FFFFF-CCC. The flea tapeworm. (Small intestine). Usually not seriously harmful for dogs. But very frequent worldwide.
• Echinococcus granulosus. H-FF-CCC. The hydatid worm. (In dogs, small intestine). Rather benign for dogs, but a serious threat for livestock and humans. Worldwide but mainly in rural zones of less developed regions.
• Echinococcus multilocularis. H-F-CCC. The small fox tapeworm. (In dogs, small intestine). Rather benign for dogs, but a serious threat for livestock and humans. Worldwide but not very frequent.
• Mesocestoides spp. HH-F. (Small intestine). Usually not a serious threat for dogs. Worldwide, but not very frequent.
• Taenia spp. H-FFFFF. (In dogs, small intestine). Usually not seriously harmful for dogs, but a significant problem for livestock (cysticercosis). Quite frequent worldwide.

Other

• Linguatula serrata. H-F. Tongue worms. (Nasal cavities and pharynx). Usually a minor problem. Worldwide but rather occasional in tropical regions.

Poultry worms:
http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2655&Itemid=2933
Internal parasites (endoparasites, worms, helminths)

Roundworms (nematodes)

• Acuaria spp ~ Dispharynx ~ Synhimanthus spp. $. Gizzard worms. Gizzard, esophagus and proventriculus. Can be a problem in endemic regions, mainly in birds kept outdoors.
• Ascaridia spp. $$$. Chicken roundworms. Small intestine. A serious problem worldwide, also in confined operations.
• Capillaria spp. $$. Hairworms. Crop, esophagus, small intestine, large intestine.
• Heterakis spp. $$$$. Cecal worms. Cecum. Probably the most threatening worms in all kind of poultry operations worldwide.
• Oxyspirura spp. $. Fowl eyeworms. Eyes. Usually a secondary problem in individual birds kept outdoors.
• Strongyloides spp. $$. Threadworms, pinworms. Small intestine. Can be a serious problem worldwide.
• Subulura spp. $. Cecum and small intestine. A secondary problem in birds kept outdoors worldwide.
• Syngamus trachea. $$. Gapeworms. Trachea, bronchi. A serious problem in birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
• Tetrameres spp. $. Proventriculus and esophagus. Can be a problem in endemic regions, mainly in outdoor opertaions.

Tapeworms (cestodes)

• Amoebotaenia cuneata = sphenoides. $. Small intestine. Usually a secondary issue in most poultry operations
• Choanotaenia infundibulum. $. Small intestine. Usually not a major issue in modern poultry operations.
• Davainea proglottina. $. Minute tapeworms. Small intestine. Can be a problem in birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
• Raillietina spp. $$. Small intestine. The most frequent tapeworm in poultry, however normally not a major problem.

Flukes (trematodes, flatworms)

• Prosthogonimus spp. $. Oviduct flukes. Oviduct, bursa of Fabricius. Can be a serious threat for birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.

-Kathy

 

[heatherlaw]

So does anyone have any idea what options there are for someone who wants to keep and organic flock? Ive been scolded a couple times by some rather rude people about not using a chemical wormer on my flock twice a year, but seriously, is there no natural option? The whole reason i got chickens was to have organic eggs from hens who have happy lives.

 

[Sarah-Emily]

Natural Wormers... is not a case of treating when worms are present a case of many who get worms in their chook or any animal and then try and treat. Using natural methods is prevention so worms do not turn up to infest. I personally use a natural combination with success. Offer sulphur in their diet all the time, i use here in aus a product called extra sulphur, a mineral based supplement that they can eat and dust in which also prevents lice. I also use oils, combination of oregano, rosemary and coconut.

 

[casportpony]

So does anyone have any idea what options there are for someone who wants to keep and organic flock? Ive been scolded a couple times by some rather rude people about not using a chemical wormer on my flock twice a year, but seriously, is there no natural option? The whole reason i got chickens was to have organic eggs from hens who have happy lives.

Try contacting an organic egg farm in your area and find out how they deal with worms. As for proven "natural" wormers, I can't find any scientific proof that any of them work.

You're in California, and not too far from Davis, so be sure to utilize their lab services and have routine fecals done, 'cause maybe you don't need to worry about it.

-Kathy

 

[Teila]

Howdy

I worm my 5 x pet bantams every 6 months with Kilverm [Active Constituent: Levamisole]. There is no withholding period on eggs.

Why? Because I figure there are already enough ways that I could lose one of my gals and if I can reduce the risk by using a preventative, that is a positive in my book; I could never forgive myself if I lost one of my gals to something I could have prevented.

I also use ACV daily in their water for a number of reasons:
* It apparently maintains a good pH balance in their digestive system and makes it a little uncomfortable for worms to live in. So while not an actual wormer, it can be a deterrent.
* It can act as an antiseptic killing bacteria in their throat and is reported to keep bacteria out of their water. I know it is recommended to people with sinus issues also.
* Some think it increases egg production but I can't comment on that because I only have bantams who spend more time broody than they do laying

 

[heatherlaw]

Try contacting an organic egg farm in your area and find out how they deal with worms. As for proven "natural" wormers, I can't find any scientific proof that any of them work.   You're in California, and not too far from Davis, so be sure to utilize their lab services and have routine fecals done, 'cause maybe you don't need to worry about it. 

-Kathy

Thanks i will do that. I wonder why no one does studies on the effectivness of natural wormers? I know that DE and pumpkin seeds do nothing, but there arent any studies i can find on anything else. Of course it could be because no one would make money on it if there were a natural option. I give my girls an organic herbal wormer but i have no idea if its doing anything or not. They have never had an infestation but i dont have any way of knowing if its because of the herbs or if I've just been lucky. I dont have enough space or hens at the moment to test it out myself.

 

[wondergirlk]

Thanks! Do you know what the withdrawal period is? Also, how long after treating with Valbazen should I try equimax paste? Surely I shouldn't do this back to back? How do you get the paste into the chickens mouth?

 

[Akrnaf2]

 

 

 

I had not wormed my chickens in 3 years mainly because they act healthy and the plant, wormwood, grows wild in their pasture. Lately, I have seen some roundworms in my poop inspections, so am in the process of worming everyone with Valbazen. It is a big process on over 100 chickens, but hopefully it will take the count down to zero for a while. Second dose due Wednesday.


They have started eating like there is no tomorrow. IDK, if it is the cooler weather, the decrease in worms or that they are molting.

So if the plant "wormwood" was an effective de-wormer, why would you be seeing large roundworms? Glad you are able to treat the flock with Valbazen, I know that is a *huge* task.


-Kathy

Kathy

According to this logic

If the chemical Deworming is SO good and effective way you should repeat it?

[COLOR=0000FF]Because you can't give wormer 365 days a year.   [/COLOR]


IMO

There are 2 levels to adress the issue

1. The most important is prevention and that is achieved by

.good management
[COLOR=0000FF]Agree[/COLOR]
.reducing crowded coups
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. Reducing stress
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. Using natural antihelmintic products as PREVENTERS

Like wormwood and hot paprika.
[COLOR=0000FF]Still waiting to see the studies that show how effective they are. [/COLOR]

All this should help the chickens immune system cotrol the LOAD OF WORMS ( chiken will ALWAYES have them)

2. When the immune system fail to control the worm load than you should use Kathy most favorites chemicals Deworming
[COLOR=0000FF]You're funny![/COLOR]

-Kathy

Kathy
This is a review paper on theantihelmintic properties of some plants
There is dozens of papers

http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/5709

 

[casportpony]

Thanks! Do you know what the withdrawal period is? Also, how long after treating with Valbazen should I try equimax paste? Surely I shouldn't do this back to back? How do you get the paste into the chickens mouth? 

There are no drug interactions between the three drugs (albendazole, ivermectin, and praziquantel), so no need to wait if all appear healthy.

When I get off this iPad and back on the computer I will post some pictures that show how to dose the Equimax paste.

-Kathy