Tragedy related to nutrition?

[Miss Lydia]

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Chinese eat their soy fermented, big difference.


Why do we believe everything we read? are we sure soy isn't good for us or own birds, and why do we believe that the products that Purina and other BIG companies make are suppose to be so balanced for out birds? They are making a killing on us and with feed going sky high even more of a killing, My birds would rather forage and eat scratch than their pellets and i buy them FR from Purina but if they can get out and free range which they do everyday, they don't eat much pellets. They love scratch though. And I don't think it's candy I think it is more of what they would be looking for when foraging. I buy 7way scratch so it has other things in it besides just corn. All I'm saying is are we being feed a lie just so others can take advantage of us and out pocket book? If you look at the ingredients on the bags it really has just about the same thing a good quality scrach grains do except in crumble ot pellets.

 

[elmo]

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I very much doubt that wild fowl ate soybeans in any quantity because raw soy contains growth inhibitors and causes other problems. You should never feed raw soy.

 

[chickened]

I tend to agree with you, The only time I really am too concerned about nutrition in my birds is when they are laying for fertile egg collection and then complete layer pellets are not enough and so I supplement with calf manna, soy protien, cat food or in thier water with a vitamin. And alfalfa.
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Why do we believe everything we read? are we sure soy isn't good for us or own birds, and why do we believe that the products that Purina and other BIG companies make are suppose to be so balanced for out birds? They are making a killing on us and with feed going sky high even more of a killing, My birds would rather forage and eat scratch than their pellets and i buy them FR from Purina but if they can get out and free range which they do everyday, they don't eat much pellets. They love scratch though. And I don't think it's candy I think it is more of what they would be looking for when foraging. I buy 7way scratch so it has other things in it besides just corn. All I'm saying is are we being feed a lie just so others can take advantage of us and out pocket book? If you look at the ingredients on the bags it really has just about the same thing a good quality scrach grains do except in crumble ot pellets.

 

[Chinchilla2]

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I'm thinking wild fowl eat anything that is handy, be it soy, rice, rye seed, etc. Even with growth inhibitors, it beats starving. Anyone who has observed a soy field being inundated by birds knows that soy goes down just like any other foraged feed.

Now, I'm not saying that you should feed raw soy to your birds but just clarifying a fact that fowl of any breed can and will eat what is available. Birds are not that darn selective and do not read nutritional paperwork. Just ask anyone with chickens who placed their styrofoam cooler too close to the run or goofed up and forgot to put it in the shed if their chickens free range. If it's there, if they have access, and if it can be torn up in small enough pieces to go down a gullet, it's gone.

Broken legs can be due to accidents, same with a wing, a toe, even a beak. It is not necessarily a reflection on the diet. It may be an indication of an absorption issue for the bird or it may be just due to chance. Blaming nutrition when it is one bird out of 5, 10, or 100 is like saying that the sore on the foot can't be bumblefoot because they only have soft grass to walk on.

 

[Miss Lydia]

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I'm thinking wild fowl eat anything that is handy, be it soy, rice, rye seed, etc. Even with growth inhibitors, it beats starving. Anyone who has observed a soy field being inundated by birds knows that soy goes down just like any other foraged feed.

Now, I'm not saying that you should feed raw soy to your birds but just clarifying a fact that fowl of any breed can and will eat what is available. Birds are not that darn selective and do not read nutritional paperwork. Just ask anyone with chickens who placed their styrofoam cooler too close to the run or goofed up and forgot to put it in the shed if their chickens free range. If it's there, if they have access, and if it can be torn up in small enough pieces to go down a gullet, it's gone.

Broken legs can be due to accidents, same with a wing, a toe, even a beak. It is not necessarily a reflection on the diet. It may be an indication of an absorption issue for the bird or it may be just due to chance. Blaming nutrition when it is one bird out of 5, 10, or 100 is like saying that the sore on the foot can't be bumblefoot because they only have soft grass to walk on.

very good.

 

[Cindy in PA]

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I'm thinking wild fowl eat anything that is handy, be it soy, rice, rye seed, etc. Even with growth inhibitors, it beats starving. Anyone who has observed a soy field being inundated by birds knows that soy goes down just like any other foraged feed.

Now, I'm not saying that you should feed raw soy to your birds but just clarifying a fact that fowl of any breed can and will eat what is available. Birds are not that darn selective and do not read nutritional paperwork. Just ask anyone with chickens who placed their styrofoam cooler too close to the run or goofed up and forgot to put it in the shed if their chickens free range. If it's there, if they have access, and if it can be torn up in small enough pieces to go down a gullet, it's gone.

Broken legs can be due to accidents, same with a wing, a toe, even a beak. It is not necessarily a reflection on the diet. It may be an indication of an absorption issue for the bird or it may be just due to chance. Blaming nutrition when it is one bird out of 5, 10, or 100 is like saying that the sore on the foot can't be bumblefoot because they only have soft grass to walk on.

Nope, I've lived next to a soybean field for 28 years & have NEVER seen any birds flocking to it. Never seen the deer eat anything but the leaves. The soybean pods stay on the plant until they are harvested. 2 years ago that was the end of December.

 

[Chinchilla2]

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Apparently they aren't as picky down here. I've seen wild birds and assorted other critters grazing contentedly in soy fields down here. In our area, their usual dining time is when the pods are still small and only beginning to appear so I have no knowledge as to whether they eat the full sized pods. The same goes for rice, cotton, sugarcane, and sweet tater fields. I think region and season are factors as well as to what they will eat. Needless to say, if there is a nice juicy oat field next to the soy field, the oat field is going to be a primary choice. Same for any type of grain.

I'm still sticking to the obvious here in saying that one bird out of a flock having a problem is more the case of the bird and not the breakfast.

 

[Tracydr]

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Why do we believe everything we read? are we sure soy isn't good for us or own birds, and why do we believe that the products that Purina and other BIG companies make are suppose to be so balanced for out birds? They are making a killing on us and with feed going sky high even more of a killing, My birds would rather forage and eat scratch than their pellets and i buy them FR from Purina but if they can get out and free range which they do everyday, they don't eat much pellets. They love scratch though. And I don't think it's candy I think it is more of what they would be looking for when foraging. I buy 7way scratch so it has other things in it besides just corn. All I'm saying is are we being feed a lie just so others can take advantage of us and out pocket book? If you look at the ingredients on the bags it really has just about the same thing a good quality scrach grains do except in crumble ot pellets.

I agree, too. I think the worst changes in the poultry feed industry have been in the past 20 years. First, an increase in soy and GMO soy at that. GMO wheat middlings, not just the scraps off the bottom of the mill floor but the GMO scraps. Than, we have the mad cow scare and we can't feed any animal parts anymore, not even fishmeal to chickens, even though chickens don't get mad cow and fish don't cause mad cow.

 

[Miss Lydia]

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I agree, too. I think the worst changes in the poultry feed industry have been in the past 20 years. First, an increase in soy and GMO soy at that. GMO wheat middlings, not just the scraps off the bottom of the mill floor but the GMO scraps. Than, we have the mad cow scare and we can't feed any animal parts anymore, not even fishmeal to chickens, even though chickens don't get mad cow and fish don't cause mad cow.

very good point.

 

[Tracydr]

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I'm thinking wild fowl eat anything that is handy, be it soy, rice, rye seed, etc. Even with growth inhibitors, it beats starving. Anyone who has observed a soy field being inundated by birds knows that soy goes down just like any other foraged feed.

Now, I'm not saying that you should feed raw soy to your birds but just clarifying a fact that fowl of any breed can and will eat what is available. Birds are not that darn selective and do not read nutritional paperwork. Just ask anyone with chickens who placed their styrofoam cooler too close to the run or goofed up and forgot to put it in the shed if their chickens free range. If it's there, if they have access, and if it can be torn up in small enough pieces to go down a gullet, it's gone.

Broken legs can be due to accidents, same with a wing, a toe, even a beak. It is not necessarily a reflection on the diet. It may be an indication of an absorption issue for the bird or it may be just due to chance. Blaming nutrition when it is one bird out of 5, 10, or 100 is like saying that the sore on the foot can't be bumblefoot because they only have soft grass to walk on.

Nope, I've lived next to a soybean field for 28 years & have NEVER seen any birds flocking to it. Never seen the deer eat anything but the leaves. The soybean pods stay on the plant until they are harvested. 2 years ago that was the end of December.

From what ive heard of people growing edamame, everything wants to eat soy. Deer, bunnies, birds. Although, edamame is apparently tastier to the animals than field soy, especially GMO soy but soy in general is supposedly very tasty to animals. The buds and everything are difficult to keep from being eaten.
I suspect the field you're next to has been sprayed with something yucky, although I have no idea what it would be.