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Trouble with hatchin bantam eggs.

There are several things that need to be remembered about hatching eggs. First, 12 hours is nothing after a pip to be concerned about. I have had chicks go almost 2 days after pipping before making their way out. Second, the chick is wrapped up very tightly inside, head under wing, feet lying along side of head. Third, the correct humidity level during incubation is 50%, 45%, 40%, 35% 25%. What I am trying to say is that you really are better off monitoring the air cell than sticking rigidly to a specific hygrometer reading. 50% may be ok for a while, but maybe 40% is what is needed now, etc... If the humidity is too high chicks can grow too large and have difficulty hatching. Intervening MAY be required in just a few rare cases but normally it does far more harm than good.

Another very important fact to remember is that a chick NEEDS to run low on oxygen to hatch properly. If you look carefully at a newly hatched chick you will notice the back of their neck is swollen. This is a "hatching muscle" to put it simply, and is a very important part of the process. Within a few hours after hatching the muscle atrophies away. This muscle reacts to a build-up of carbon dioxide by spasming. When this muscle has a spasm, it jerks the head causing the beak to thrust outward and create another pip. The chick then starts pushing with it's feet to turn itself around in the egg, the spasms continue, and the egg "zips". Hatching is, largely, an involuntary process. If the original pip is enlarged, more oxygen enters the air space and can delay or prevent the hatching muscle from working properly. The chick then can need more help because the process is not working properly now.

I know it can be very difficult to leave things be, especially when we really feel that there is a need to help. However, in most cases, the chicks are actually fine and will be better off being left to their own efforts.

Richard
 
A chick can only spend so much time in the air cell before it suffocates.

Actually, this is not true. A healthy chick will not suffocate inside the shell, even with just a tiny pip. Several people have already suggested waiting AT LEAST 24 hours after pipping before trying to assist. I am only trying to help you out here and don't want to see you act too hastily on the rest of the chicks.

Richard​
 
in case most of you dont know im 4-h chicken moms daughter. so i guess blame any bad decisions on me. I personally, cannot just sit there and chance my birds dying in the shell like some others can. I would rather accidentally kill a bird by helping, than let it die on its own. Our last hatch was absolutely horrible, and i still have not gotten over it. Every bird that we have today is alive because i chose to intervene. 3 birds were already dead by the time I got to them because i didnt follow my gut and help them. Trust me, I know i may make a few mistakes but i know when to stop helping the chick. I guess in our case you would just have to see the bird to understand.....MaransGuy, something i did not know, thank you for that lesson. I know that most of you wait longer once the chick has pipped, but we have never had a chick pip, take that long, and actually live, so i hope you can understand why im so frustrated.Edited because I was in a bad mood last night. This post was not meant to offend anyone.
 
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I don't think everyone feels it's always inappropriate to help. There are obvious cases where help may be necessary. I think the challenge with helping chicks is identifying the right time. If you help too early, it can be just as disastrous as attempting to help too late. I believe this is why folks are suggesting that you give them a little more time to try on their own.

I definitely couldn't advise you with 100% accuracy without being there to guide you along. I was advising based on information provided. The position of the chick sounds perfectly normal to me and the amount of time a chick takes from pip to hatch can vary...for many reasons. I don't think anyone meant to say you were doing anything wrong...just offering our advice. Good luck with the hatch. I am sorry you lost the little one and hope the others are healthy and active for you.

Jody
 
I honestly, cannot just sit there and let my birds die in the shell like the rest of you can.

I was, honestly, trying to help. However, I do not just sit here and let my chicks die in their shell and do not think that "the rest of us" do either. Personally, I do not appreciate the suggestion that I do. Chicks that I hatch, bantams and LF, do fine coming out on their own, unless something was wrong during incubation. The fact of the matter is, chicks do not normally need to be helped. If you are having consistent problems with chicks needing assistance to hatch then you have a problem that needs to be addressed. Temp may be wrong, humidity may be wrong, etc... Chicks do not need to be helped all that often and I have helped maybe 2 over the last year. The point we are all trying to make is that helping a chick at 12 hours is WAY too soon. Helping at 36 hours may be more appropriate. Again, if your chicks actually die, over and over, unless they get help from you then that is not normal. If you are just assuming that they will die without your help, without giving them a chance to do so, then you are acting too soon and disrupting the process.

You also say that you have never had a chick take 12 hours to hatch after a pip and survive? I don't think I have ever had a chick hatch in less than 12 hours after pipping.

Richard​
 
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It sounds like the correct position - which does look funny
or impossible - helping is a "if it works for you do it"
a situation to sitauation judgement call. If i can see they can breath i try not to help -Nature makes pretty good judgement calls --
 

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