Trout Indian Runners

[AimToMisbehave]

Either way she's GORGEOUS

 

[apricotvalleywf]

To answer your question... no, she doesn't have the Restricted mallard gene, Dave has never bred crosses onto his runners. Dave sent me some 'Silver Appleyard" runners this past spring, but they truly were faulted trouts. They do not show the typical appleyard mohawk in their down, as they are trout runners. This is a fault and can be refreshed/bred out by breeding trouts back onto blue trouts.

I can say all of this in confidence as I had a long conversation with him, about everything we're discussing. One day, I will breed true silver appleyard runners, possibly in 2-3 years time.

 

[apricotvalleywf]

*has never bred silver appleyard x runner (crosses)

 

[Duck Hill]

Thank you for the information. It was what I thought. What do you call "faulted"? You mean the wing color? Or the extra white? I'm curious.

 

[apricotvalleywf]

I speak with the Ashtons quite a bit and also the Holderreads. Here is some information from the Ashtons' in regards to your question:

Appleyard face markings are independent of other genes
such as mallard restricted and mallard. The face markings came from German Apricot Trouts
(blaugelb) which carried the fault. (Apricot trouts are saxony in US nomenclature)

 

[Duck Hill]

Very interesting! But what fault are we talking about???

 

[blueducklings]

I am drooling over the silver trout in Ashton's book
Is this an easy color to breed

 

[Duck Hill]

So I researched Trout Duck standards to see why my trout duck is "faulted". This is what I found at runnerduck.net (http://www.runnerduck.net/photos.php)

"TROUT DUCK
Head and neck Fawn, each feather with brown graining. This graining forms a darker band from the crown down the back of the upper neck. Eyebrow creamy white; dark line through the eye; pale line in front of the eye down to the bill. Base of the bill and front of the neck creamy fawn. Eyes: brown. Bill: pinkish orange brown with spots. Dark bean.
Back Fawn ground, delicately streaked or pencilled with dark brown. Pencilling best developed on the larger feathers
Breast & Flanks Fawn ground, delicately streaked or pencilled with dark brown. Pencilling best developed on the larger feathers.
Tail Buff marked with dark brown; darker feathers in the centre than the outer edges
Wings Primaries greyish buff. Speculum and its borders as drake. Tertials showing indications of pencilling. Coverts grey brown edged with light fawn. Scapulars ideally pencilled with a single V in brown on light fawn. Cream/white underwing.
Legs and webs Dull orange somewhat darker than the drake
Colour Disqualifications White in the primaries. Pigmented underwings. Incomplete speculum. In the male: lack of white stern. In the female: lack of eye stripes; yellow or lead-coloured bill; any indication of a white neck ring.
Major Colour Defects White feathers under the bill. In the male: bill dark or blue-green; grey or white in the head colour; lack of fringing on the claret breast feathers. In the female: 'mossy' or indistinct feather markings on the back of the duck's body.
Minor Colour Defects Indistinct secondary or greater covert bars. In the male: dark bronze dominating the scapulars. In the female: bright orange bill colour; throat colour extending too far on to the breast."
(Photo from http://www.runnerduck.net/photos.php)

I guess this means my duck is faulted (in terms of being an exhibition Trout) for having her lovely white neck ("major defect of white feathers under the bill.) She is probably also to be show-faulted for her wing bar colors being "backwards" on top with white above the blue instead of first black. (The Butterscotch below has the same thing.)

In his book, Holderread states that the Light gene is variable. The Saxony color (left photo below from www.holderreadfarm.com), when consistently bred for more white on the neck and for a lighter belly color, gave rise to the Butterscotch Call color (right photo below from www.holderreadfarm.com).


(Photos above from www.holderreadfarm.com)

I'm thinking that it would be really pretty to start with my trout runner duck that has too much white on her neck (according to the standard) and to breed for even more white. This would give me a color like the Butterscotch, but without the double Blue which makes the Butterscotch lighter and which degrades the blue speculum to light a light grey color. I'm envisioning a duck with the bold colors of a trout (dark brown and fawn), blue speculum, and with the contrast of white on her neck and belly. This duck would be a lot like an Appleyard, but without the restricted gene so that ducklings would be born dark.

I think that would be so cool!

 

[apricotvalleywf]

So I researched Trout Duck standards to see why my trout duck is "faulted". This is what I found at runnerduck.net (http://www.runnerduck.net/photos.php)

"TROUT DUCK
Head and neck Fawn, each feather with brown graining. This graining forms a darker band from the crown down the back of the upper neck. Eyebrow creamy white; dark line through the eye; pale line in front of the eye down to the bill. Base of the bill and front of the neck creamy fawn. Eyes: brown. Bill: pinkish orange brown with spots. Dark bean.
Back Fawn ground, delicately streaked or pencilled with dark brown. Pencilling best developed on the larger feathers
Breast & Flanks Fawn ground, delicately streaked or pencilled with dark brown. Pencilling best developed on the larger feathers.
Tail Buff marked with dark brown; darker feathers in the centre than the outer edges
Wings Primaries greyish buff. Speculum and its borders as drake. Tertials showing indications of pencilling. Coverts grey brown edged with light fawn. Scapulars ideally pencilled with a single V in brown on light fawn. Cream/white underwing.
Legs and webs Dull orange somewhat darker than the drake
Colour Disqualifications White in the primaries. Pigmented underwings. Incomplete speculum. In the male: lack of white stern. In the female: lack of eye stripes; yellow or lead-coloured bill; any indication of a white neck ring.
Major Colour Defects White feathers under the bill. In the male: bill dark or blue-green; grey or white in the head colour; lack of fringing on the claret breast feathers. In the female: 'mossy' or indistinct feather markings on the back of the duck's body.
Minor Colour Defects Indistinct secondary or greater covert bars. In the male: dark bronze dominating the scapulars. In the female: bright orange bill colour; throat colour extending too far on to the breast."
(Photo from http://www.runnerduck.net/photos.php)

I guess this means my duck is faulted (in terms of being an exhibition Trout) for having her lovely white neck ("major defect of white feathers under the bill.) She is probably also to be show-faulted for her wing bar colors being "backwards" on top with white above the blue instead of first black. (The Butterscotch below has the same thing.)

In his book, Holderread states that the Light gene is variable. The Saxony color (left photo below from www.holderreadfarm.com), when consistently bred for more white on the neck and for a lighter belly color, gave rise to the Butterscotch Call color (right photo below from www.holderreadfarm.com).


(Photos above from www.holderreadfarm.com)

I'm thinking that it would be really pretty to start with my trout runner duck that has too much white on her neck (according to the standard) and to breed for even more white. This would give me a color like the Butterscotch, but without the double Blue which makes the Butterscotch lighter and which degrades the blue speculum to light a light grey color. I'm envisioning a duck with the bold colors of a trout (dark brown and fawn), blue speculum, and with the contrast of white on her neck and belly. This duck would be a lot like an Appleyard, but without the restricted gene so that ducklings would be born dark.

I think that would be so cool!

 

[Duck Hill]

I was quoting the standards for Trout, not Saxony. But you're right, Apricotvalleywf, this is probably from a European website. Where can I find a copy of the APA standards?