Trying to figure out what is wrong..

smilingcat

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One of my 2+ yo chicken became sick. wouldn't stand up. Comb pale pink. beaks open and seems to be breathing fast.

thought it might be gapeworm so managed to have a really good look down her throat and its clear.
Her eyes are looking normal no discharge no sign of occular Marek's besides bit old for Marek's to appear
no nasal discharge.
poo color normal and of right consistency. I presume no Coccidiosis. besides more common and young pullets, chicks.

nope to Newcastle disease. no signs of drooping wings, circling of the neck and head, stargazing.

1st symptoms was lethargy and tail pointing down. checked for stuck egg. No egg or broken egg shell in her vent. she did waddle like a penguin.

Thought of MG but I don't think its that either...

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My chicken have been eating quite a bit of slugs, snails and earthworm thanks to all the rain we have had in Pacific Northwest. So I did feed her ground up raw pumpkin seed mixed with buttermilk (made a mash). Had to force it down her throat. But why would worms in her gut would cause her to have her beaks open with rapid short breathing? BTW pumpkin seed mash did "improve" her condition. She is standing and seems to have bit more energy. But still lays down often, more so than our other birds.

Her crop is more or less full in the evening and empty in the morning. So she is eating properly and processing it. Feed is mixture of organic layer feed, wheat berries, BOSS, organic brown rice, cracked corn, excess spinach, chard, (fresh no wilted stuff), green tops of carrots, turnips and beets. And occasional dried mealy worm.

Where they free range, no pesticide. Not even OMRI approved stuff. and no fertilizer.

Other than free ranging, we do maintain bio-security. Inside of the coop gets washed down then sanitized, pine shavings on the floor are completely changed. No we don't even use the deep litter method because we don't want to deal with mites. No mites in coop or on the chicken. Feeder and waterer gets sanitized on regular basis. Water replaced everyday. Run will be getting "cleaned" when the weather dries out and gets hot. And yes our hands gets washed with hot water and soap each time we are out by the coop or handling the chicken.

What other things could cause her to lose her energy, wants to lay down, beak open, rapid short breathing?

If I suspect something really bad and contagious, I will take it to government Ag/university ag facility to have the bird necropsied. I don't want to be a bad neighbor.
 
How long has she been showing these symptoms? What has the weather been like? Could she be overheated or dehydrated? Is there someone bullying her away from the resources?
 
Not sure what part of Pacific Northwest you are in but I am in SW Washington and it has been hot and humid here the last day or so. The temp went up by 10 degrees just in the last 3 days. My girls were not liking the hot humid day today. They were walking with their wings out and open mouth breathing. They also took lots of dirt baths and just laid around. It could just be the weather like Team Chaos said. Maybe try giving her some watermelon it has lots of water in it and sugars that might help perk her up.
 
The bird became ill two days ago.Two days ago I started them on pumpkin seeds/buttermilk mash.
Seemed to regained energy yesterday comb still pale pink and beak open.
Condition unchanged today.

She is the dominant one though smallest in the flock.Other birds are not showing heat stress. It's been rather cool and wet here. Crazy weather rainy and in the 60's, last week high on one of the days was 57. Today I think we got into the 80's and tomorrow supposed to be rain and back in the 60's. She's an Americuna. we do have non-heat tolerant birds brahamas and they are not showing any heat stress. Consistently in the 80s and the brahmas will start showing heat stress.

She's not losing weight and she does have access to clean water. We have two waterer available at all times.

I think I'm going to forgo organic treatment of worm and use Safeguard and Ivermectin. Our dog is also going to get Safeguard since we have a poop eater. And he has been caught inhaling chicken poo. Guards the chicken really well but just has that one bad habit. Pyrenees/lab mix. doesn't bother our chicken nor our cats but any other critters, its a different story. Oh he has chomped and ate a vole recently. More the reason to get him safeguard.

Off to our favorite feed store. Gosh we were there just today. :(

And oh we are located east of Portland in the Gorge area. Can you say WINDY!! It blew our wrought iron patio furniture off our deck not long ago.
 
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A "penguin" stance usually indicates eggbound or egg impacted hen. I recommend that you soak her up to her sides in a container of warm water and gently massage her underside for 20 minutes. Then put on a disposable glove and put olive oil on a finger and insert it into her vent checking for debris. Then remove your finger and put olive oil just inside and outside her vent area. The warm water will relax and expand her innards. Massaging will help move the egg along. Finger in vent stretches her insides and the olive oil will make it easier for her to lay the egg.
If you're going to worm her, forget the ivermectin and just use the safeguard. After the initial treatment, redose her again in 7-10 days.
You also mentioned that you wash the inside of the coop. I dont recommend doing this at all. It's always best to keep everything bone dry as possible. Wetness/dampness encourages bacterial/protozoal/fungal/parasite growth. Consider putting sand in the chicken pen/run. Sand dries quicker and doesnt wash away like dirt. It also inhibits parasite/insect problems.
 
Thanks dawg59 and flowerchild59,

We thought about being egg bound so that was the first thing we did try. soak her in a tub, get her to relax, my finger inside the vent... but nothing.
not heat stress either, this open beak and rapid breathing looks different than when the chicken are heat stressed.

Washing out the coop. We do this in the summer time when things can dry out. Don't want mold, and other water related things to grow inside the coop. Run is built on raised ground to help keep it dry. And it does have plenty of sand in it and allows them to have a sand bath. Run does get winterized and summerized (to keep it from overheating).

We'll use Safeguard and administer the drug individually. We have plenty of syringes laying around. no needle just the syringe to administer the drug down their throat. Hope it doesn't take too long.

So what did the chicken and people do back 100 years ago?

If you have any other suggestion please post them. Maybe we missed something. We did buy replacement chicks about two weeks ago but they are completely isolated from the old flock and we do take safeguards such as washing our hands with soapy water etc.
 

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