TudyBOT Feedback & Discussion Thread

[R2elk]

Also remember that there are multiple BOTs with their own data sets owned by different companies (Met, Google, etc. etc.)

Remember that the only one that I am speaking about is the current one that is active here..

 

[Ted Brown]

Remember that the only one that I am speaking about is the current one that is active here..

Understood, simply trying to provide context to what is going on more broadly n the generative AI industry.

As you will have noticed many asks to TudeBot are not related to chickens. Obviously huge interest in the topic.

 

[notabitail]

I was hoping she could learn the correct answers to a number of standard questions that often get answere wrong.
Things like: the correct dose of Corid or fenbendazole; why not to hold a chicken with an impacted crop upside down; why hardware cloth is better than chicken wite at keeping predators out.
Sounds like she can’t do that.

She can't. The AI has to be taught by someone with system level access. After it is taught, then it can remember.

 

[notabitail]

The way I understand it, any information less than about two years old is not in her memory.

She has limited info about events from 2021 on.

 

[EEforMe]

So it would be like a ten strangers to a dog trying to teach her not to jump up on people with voice attention alone - no leash corrections, no knee to the chest, no step on the back toes, no turning back on her, or anything like that. And no history of anything except voice correction.

Exactly! The dog might get it a little bit, but it won’t stick and it won’t stop jumping permanently with everyone.

 

[Nifty-Chicken]

Thanks to everyone that has provided their feedback in a very understanding and respectful way.

Whenever we make changes to BYC, it feels like this quote is on constant REPEAT at FULL VOLUME:


“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

... the main difference is that it's rare (impossible?) to please all the people at any time in a community this big. There's always going to be someone(s) that can find an aspect of a "change" to be upset about.

Oh, the joys of trying to make changes / improve a system for literally millions of people.

Regarding TudyBot's data, @R2elk is correct:

This version is stuck in 2021. It has not been updated since then. It has shown it can hold its learning for posts that are close together. It scans 10 posts at a time. Once it is through that section it reverts backwards and the temporary learning is gone. It can't rewrite its own programming.

We pay per-use for access to the backend of TudyBot, which is ChatGPT 3.5. We sprinkle on a little extra data that also includes the previous rolling 10 posts when she's tagged/mentioned.

The underlying model (ChatGPT 3.5) is limited to data as of September 2021. The core-model isn't changing.

That said, we *might* upgrade to GPT 4, but that's a cost increase of about 60x (i.e., 6,000%) above what 3.5 costs, and we're not in a position to offer that, even at the low price PFM's are paying. For reference, OpenAI charges $20 a month for limited access to GPT 4.

With the new change of her only being able to respond to PFMs, I'm wondering if her section should be only visible to PFMs too. Or at least only allow PFMs to post threads in her corner.

This is something we've gone back and forth on. We'll see how she's used and what the feedback is and potentially change this if it's the best decision for the community as a whole.

I think keeping her in her corner is a wise decision at this stage. You can always revisit that at a later date when she has further improved.

Exactly! None of this is set-in-stone. We reviewed the concerns by the community and made the decision that was the best win-win compromise possible. It wouldn't make everyone happy, but it's a nice (at least for now) middle-ground between disabling her completely vs. letting her lose on the entire site.

Again, please keep the friendly, respectful, open-minded, and helpful feedback coming!

 

[Ted Brown]

"

With the new change of her only being able to respond to PFMs, I'm wondering if her section should be only visible to PFMs too. Or at least only allow PFMs to post threads in her corner.

This is something we've gone back and forth on. We'll see how she's used and what the feedback is and potentially change this if it's the best decision for the community as a whole."

IMHO BYC can provide a great service to it's members by allowing access to the Artificial Intelligence wave that is currently sweeping the world within a context (chickens) that they know and like. One only has to look at the popularity of "TudeBot Corner" to see that.

I vote for open access with course corrections as real issues arise.

 

[notabitail]

"

This is something we've gone back and forth on. We'll see how she's used and what the feedback is and potentially change this if it's the best decision for the community as a whole."

IMHO BYC can provide a great service to it's members by allowing access to the Artificial Intelligence wave that is currently sweeping the world within a context (chickens) that they know and like. One only has to look at the popularity of "TudeBot Corner" to see that.

I vote for open access with course corrections as real issues arise.

Good idea.

 

[notabitail]

Thanks to everyone that has provided their feedback in a very understanding and respectful way.

Whenever we make changes to BYC, it feels like this quote is on constant REPEAT at FULL VOLUME:


“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

... the main difference is that it's rare (impossible?) to please all the people at any time in a community this big. There's always going to be someone(s) that can find an aspect of a "change" to be upset about.

Oh, the joys of trying to make changes / improve a system for literally millions of people.

Regarding TudyBot's data, @R2elk is correct:


We pay per-use for access to the backend of TudyBot, which is ChatGPT 3.5. We sprinkle on a little extra data that also includes the previous rolling 10 posts when she's tagged/mentioned.

The underlying model (ChatGPT 3.5) is limited to data as of September 2021. The core-model isn't changing.

That said, we *might* upgrade to GPT 4, but that's a cost increase of about 60x (i.e., 6,000%) above what 3.5 costs, and we're not in a position to offer that, even at the low price PFM's are paying. For reference, OpenAI charges $20 a month for limited access to GPT 4.


This is something we've gone back and forth on. We'll see how she's used and what the feedback is and potentially change this if it's the best decision for the community as a whole.


Exactly! None of this is set-in-stone. We reviewed the concerns by the community and made the decision that was the best win-win compromise possible. It wouldn't make everyone happy, but it's a nice (at least for now) middle-ground between disabling her completely vs. letting her lose on the entire site.

Again, please keep the friendly, respectful, open-minded, and helpful feedback coming!

If you want to restrict Tudy, maybe a waitlist of some kind to access her would be better, kind of like the one for Google Bard.
That chicken gif? It sums up everything.

 

[Kiki]

If you want to restrict Tudy, maybe a waitlist of some kind to access her would be better, kind of like the one for Google Bard.
That chicken gif? It sums up everything.

Have you entered any of the current Easter contests yet? If not you still have time to do so to win a FREE PFM.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forums/official-byc-contests-etc.15879/