Two dead chicken. HELP!!

Maggots are indeed harmful to chickens. Since they digest filth (rather than just dirt as earthworms do) they also digest a lot more bacteria than earthworms and the like do. They're notorious carriers of botulism. This is something I learned the hard way. I thought that it would take carcass maggots to do so, but learned just from fly larvae in a damp space where some leaves were decaying that they can cause botulism. I lost ducks to it.

Decaying vegetation (like hay if you have a place out of the reach of horses where you ever put hay), algea ponds, puddles, etc - stagnant water - those things can also be sources of botulism which results in very quick death. Usually if you catch the symptoms the birds will have a very fowl smelling quite green dropping, very runny diarrhea. They will have paralysis - flaccing meaning floppy. It tends to hit one leg or the other and I think I read somewhere that it tends to hit the left side but that could be misremembering. Mine all did the left side. It also ends up paralyzing the neck (limberneck is its nickname) and then the respiratory system if they get enough of it. You might find them dead with profuse green droppings that really smell. Clostridium bacteria results in a horrible smelling dropping, usually green, and way worse smelling even than cecal droppings. It will literally run you out of a small room.

If you see any of your birds showing any signs, or know that they've gotten into something rotten (as chickens tend to do) you can find recipes for a mollasses or epsom salt flush online. I used the molasses flush with luck on two ducks.

In any case, when you see maggots, dispose of them and make that ground unattractive to the birds - put sand over it, or something.

On worming - yes, earthworms do carry a lot but what can you do (other than worm)? They're chickens. That's why instead of treating birds to worms, I always recommend buying (and even raising) mealyworms which live in a more clean environment and don't act as a host vector to parasites.

For worming, the first time in an older flock I always worm with Wazine which is piperazine 17% solution. It's a liquid you mix with water for one day. Withhold (don't eat eggs or meat) for two weeks. (This is really good to do during molt btw). Then I follow up with a broad spectrum wormer (my choice is pour-on ivermectin) which I repeat twice annually thereafter without the pre-worming of wazine.

The reason for the wazine is that it only paralyzes the adults of about three types of worms. It's not very broad spectrum, is mean to be repeated, and is a mild wormer. The reason I do that is without a fecal egg count done by a vet, you really don't know how many worms a bird has. They don't generally shed worms in their droppings even if they're heavily infested. If they had a heavy infestation and you wormed them with something that kills both adults and larvae, then you risk over-stressing the bird with the dying worms (which then are seen as 'foreign proteins' by the body), and possibly clogging if a large number of dying/paralyzed worms leave the body. There are a number of worms that live in the lungs of birds at one point in their stage, in the crop, in the airways (gapeworms) and to kill them all if there were a lot - well you can see how it could be a mess.

So intead, using Wazine knocks back their numbers to allow the birds to get better nutrition, more health, without the risks. Just adult worms. Then you go back 2 weeks later and kill everything - including the larvae - so you don't have to worry as much about those larvae transitioning into infective adults.

So my protocol: wazine first, ,wait 2 weeks, then use something stronger (levamisole, fenbendazole, ivermectin).
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with the pour on ivermectin. Is it specific for poultry? I use the injectable as a oral for my dogs, but it does taste awful!

My birds never showed any signs of botulism, so not sure that was it but I will fence the poo pile off:)
I may never find out what killed my birds.
 
Ivermectin isn't labeled for poultry, although a lot of avian vets use it in practice. People use injectable (orally). I prefer pour-on because you use 1-6 drops (depending on the size of the bird) and that stuff goes in them so quick that it's a bit weird. I have a description on how to use it that I'll post here. The pour-on dosage is mine, and Glenda provided other information on how the pour-on works, other ways of giving ivermectin, safety margins, etc. But you can use the injectable - the dosages are here on the board or I can dig them up for you if they're not in the article below.

I've used the ivermectin for about 10 years now and really like it. I've gotten it on me a few times /cough. I don't usually eat any eggs after worming for 2 weeks - it just is a bit creepy to me. But that is about the withdrawal time in cattle.

------- information on ivermectin as provided by Glenda Heywood to BackYardChickens thread: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=185989

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***OPTION 1
it is safer for the hens to use the wazine now and amt for the water in the water and let it kill the round worms
as too intensive wormer will kill many worms and poison the hens more
as it makes a shock to their interna; system and the dead worms going to protein in the body of the chicken will poison their systems

***OPTION 2
also you can use the 1% ivermectin and give it down the throat as well as a shot
using propolene gycol as agent used with ivermectin injection kind
this was told to me by my friend Randy Henry in Ca who used it a lot

Ivomec 1% is water soluable and injectable, fast release and needs lowing down going thru the gut. that is why
they use proplene glycol 3 drops to 1 drop of ivemec 1%. MIX GOOD ALWAYS BEFORE INJECTING

****OPTION 3
5% pour on is oil based and only used on shoulder of the bird in drops. Slow release going into the skin of the bird

Not inside the bird.
Directions for 5% ivomec with oil base put on shoulder

only not internally.

(1 1 drop small bantam such as female OE
(2 2 drops large bantam male like OE
(3 3 drops most bantams
(4 4 drops larger bantams and smaller commercial hens
(5 5 drops commercial large fowl and smaller large
fowl
(5 5 drops Large fowl chicken
(7 7 drops larger males of large fowl breeds of
Chickens.
(A 5% oil type Ivomec Stays on the birds for at least
6 weeks. and is the reason it is only used on the out
side under the feathers on the shoulder of the
chickens. Slow release time.
(B 1% water soulable is injectable and can be used in the water.


***OPTION 4 INFORMATION ON #2&#3
CURTIS GEARY" <[email protected]>
Question on Ivermec 1%


I will try to answer your questions as fully as I can. Since we are using ivermectin in an off-label fashion, first I need to say the birds being given ivermectin should not be used for food and the eggs should not be eaten. I am only saying this because I am a veterinarian and this is an off-label use and I am not aware of any controlled studies on the subject of withdrawal times. So for legal and safety reasons don't cull and eat these birds.

However, we eat beef, chicken, pork, etc. everyday that had previously been given ivermectin, but established withdrawal times have been (or should have been) followed. The information that is to follow is from my own personal experience and is not substantiated in any scientific journals as far as I know and is purely for informational use. (That's the end of my little legal/safety speech).

**INFORMATION 5
What can happen if too much ivermectin is given? Well, so far I haven't seen an overdose of ivermectin in chickens, however I will extrapolate from other species. Most of the signs have to deal with the neurologic (nervous) system and occasionally involve the digestive system.

In the dogs that I have seen, in mild cases the dogs just act like they are "drunk". They stumble, have difficulty standing up and usually can't walk a straight line. The moderate cases have this plus sometimes have blindness. Both of these cases usually resolve in 3-5 days with just some supportive care. The most severe case that I have seen was a 6 month old black lab puppy that ate the entire dose for a 1,000 pound horse after the horse spit out the wormer on the ground. It was comatose for 23 days, blind for another 10 days and is normal today (2 years later). So the overdose effects can vary, usually very dramatic, but usually resolve. However, death can occur with an overdose.

***OPTION 6
I like the 1% injectable form because I can draw up exactly 0.1 ml and give it in the breast muscle or by mouth. I also like it because I know that the ivermectin is then getting into the bloodstream.

From other studies we know that ivermectin is absorbed into the bloodstream from the digestive tract. With the 5% oil based solution, it was made to be absorbed through the skin of cattle that has a fatty layer, oil glands, haired skin, sweat glands, etc. and this is totally different than poultry. I am not saying if it works or not. I've never tried it, for those reasons.

**OPTION 7
the dosages that you have listed look like they would be a good starting point. I would first try them on some culls rather than your best birds and if it works then continue with it. Since chickens have an oil gland near the tail the ivermectin may accumulate there and last longer than the injectable form, I really don't think (but don't know) if it is going to hang around on the body for 6 weeks though. I would be interested to know of anyone else's experiences though.

*** OPTION 8
here are two chicken friends who use 1% injectable in the drinking water
they do raise a lot of birds so they must know

Iona wrote:
I leave treated water (4 cc per gallon of water) in the coops for 2
days. It is the only water so everyone drinks. I change the water
mixture every day and more often if it gets dirty. There is a great
margin for safety when using ivermectin so I don't worry about a bird
over dosing on it. I have been using injectable ivermectin mixed with
drinking water for 5 years now and have never had a problem.

Gail wrote
I use the injectable 1 % solution mixed at 8 cc. per gallon of water to
treat canaries for air sac mites and to worm chickens, budgies,
canaries, cockatiels, etc. I take their water away the night before and
use this solution as the only source of water for 24 hours.

It is
important to treat again in 10 days to get all the mites that have
hatched out since the treatment BEFORE they can lay eggs again. For
scaly face/leg mites I treat the birds at least four times.

Hopefully this information can help you decide how to worm with Ivermectin. I have studied this topic for several yrs now and do believe it is safe
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