Two questions for gun control people

[duckluck]

Since everything you disagree with is automatically Obama's fault.

How about this, and this is just a suggestion so bare with me, We could take all that millions of dollars it would take to post armed guards at every already under staffed under budgeted school, thanks to some of the laws passed in the Bush administration, and use it for prenatal health care and measures to ensure women have equal protection in jobs when pregnant, and paid maternal leave, and paid paternal leave.

Or, and this is just another thought, put the money into the schools for things like teachers and books to better educate students, so they can grow up to be more productive adults less likely to be on the streets committing crimes.

But then that would mean a compromise.

We already supposedly have lotteries for that reason, and you see how well that works...

 

[duckluck]

See your side wants to say if it saves one kid then we should do it. But you only want to talk the talk you don't want to walk the walk. When you put the argument up that if you don't make the changes I want then you don't care about saving maybe one kids life. Now if that's your sides argument for passing gun reform then don't you think you should go by your own argument ?

There are a lot of things we could do to "save one kid" that we aren't doing. Hey, we could take all the childhood vaccines off the market, because one or some of them might kill at least one kid! Never mind what happens to everyone else! I'm not willing to give up my Second Amendment rights to save a hypothetical anybody in the stead of being able to defend mine or myself. Charity begins at home.

 

[duckluck]

Again, hemet dennis, you are flirting with the boundaries of a fallacy. You're comparing automobile accidents with intentional homicide. Cars are also much more common than guns. My cousin is a staunch gun rights guy and he has all the permits to carry but he even admits he does not carry his weapon everywhere he goes. He does drive his car just about everywhere he goes. If we are going to compare cars to guns you should realize exactly how much regulation is required to drive a car versus how little is required to obtain a firearm.

Cars *are* much more common than guns, and anybody can jump in one anytime and drive it, whether they have a license or not. People with DUIs do it all the time regardless. Much harder to get ahold of a firearm.

 

[hemet dennis]

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Taking vaccines off the market will cost some kids there lives but making cars so they only go 30 MPH shouldn't. And it would save billions of dollars. How much would a car cost to build that only went 30 MPH ? How much would it cost for insurance ? What would the MPG be ? Were talking trillions of dollars and thousands of lives over 10 years. I haven't been able to think of a down side. Police and emergency would be exempt.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Taking vaccines off the market will cost some kids there lives but

That was the point. The anti gun people dont care about the bad effects of their plan, only the good side. Sorta like the people that play lottery an keep telling you about the money they won but forget about the money they spent. I know we all know these people.

 

[KristyHall]

annnddd my point was completely missed

 

[hemet dennis]

annnddd my point was completely missed

Perhaps if you would be so kind as to repeat the point we missed.

 

[KristyHall]

Perhaps if you would be so kind as to repeat the point we missed.

as I have learned from our past, if I try to explain, and even show resources to back up my statements, the point will be completely sailed past. It would be a conversation that descends into this. " apples" "oranges" "Oranges? no I am saying apples" "cow! butterfly! kumquat! badger badger badger cat!" "uh..what?" So, I'm done for now.

But to reiterate, you're comparing apples with oranges. So I'm simplifying my whole point. and when I bring up apples and oranges, it seems the conversation descends into other random things that have nothing to do with the apples and oranges in the first comparison. I'm not mad, or even upset, just tired, and unsure how I can state things differently to express my viewpoint.

 

[Demosthine]

Perhaps if you would be so kind as to repeat the point we missed.

The point, as mentioned, is that either side of the gun debate doesn't want to research and look in to the factual data, they resort to name calling and diverting the topic. I can name a great many ways that people intentionally kill kids and they have nothing to do with firearms.

In my job, I see the scum of the Earth on a daily basis. We just had one couple be arrested for forcing their child to ingest common cleaning products. It was a very destructive and painful way to die. Another couple, a few months, was brought in for child abuse and the child dies during their booking in to the jail. They used pliers to twist the babies nipples completely off. The used a lighter to leave severe burn marks all over the body, and a clothes hanger to sodomize her. Under the recent news press about "saving even one child," these should all be banned as well.

Statistically, rifles account for less than 4.5% of homicides in the pre-ban period. In the post-ban era, that number has decreased to around 4% of homicides. The number of true assault rifles is a much smaller portion of those statistics. Statistically, less than six rounds are used in a homicide. These are both readily available, by year and state, in the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports.

 

[chickened]

The point, as mentioned, is that either side of the gun debate doesn't want to research and look in to the factual data, they resort to name calling and diverting the topic. I can name a great many ways that people intentionally kill kids and they have nothing to do with firearms.

In my job, I see the scum of the Earth on a daily basis. We just had one couple be arrested for forcing their child to ingest common cleaning products. It was a very destructive and painful way to die. Another couple, a few months, was brought in for child abuse and the child dies during their booking in to the jail. They used pliers to twist the babies nipples completely off. The used a lighter to leave severe burn marks all over the body, and a clothes hanger to sodomize her. Under the recent news press about "saving even one child," these should all be banned as well.

Statistically, rifles account for less than 4.5% of homicides in the pre-ban period. In the post-ban era, that number has decreased to around 4% of homicides. The number of true assault rifles is a much smaller portion of those statistics. Statistically, less than six rounds are used in a homicide. These are both readily available, by year and state, in the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports.

Exactly this!! When will people realise that politicians do things for one purpose and that is to justify their position. If they really cared they would have done something already.