U.S. drought fallout . . . might it affect all of our ducks?

[Amiga]

Chunky mashed, skin chopped up.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Chunky mashed, skin chopped up.

Thanks I'll have to cook up some potatoes and see what happens, isn't that quite a bit of starch though?

 

[Amiga]

It is a bit of starch, but I looked into red potatoes versus corn and found this:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fdd/facts/h...s/HHFS_POTATOES_RED_FRESH_F140-F143_Final.pdf

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fdd/facts/hhpfacts/New_HHPFacts/Veges/HHFS_CORN_FRESH_F210_Final.pdf

For the same number of calories, double the amounts on the corn nutrient table.

Looks like corn provides the same amount of carbohydrates, more sugars, less calcium, vitamin C and iron as red potatoes. Corn has a little more protein and some vitamin A that red potatoes don't have.

My understanding is that the colored potatoes, including heirlooms, not the big white starchy potatoes have more nutrients. I still need to look closely and see if I am right about that.

So if we are replacing corn, I don't see a problem with using potatoes. And sweet potatoes are different, too.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fdd/facts/h...HHFS_SWEET_POTATOES_FRESH_F160-F163_Final.pdf

They have fewer carbohydrates than red potatoes and more Vitamin A, and about the same protein for the same amount of calories.

We are becoming ducky dietitians!

 

[scratch'n'peck]

Thanks for starting this thread.

I was reading the news on aflatoxins, and thought I would check BYC to see what others thought.

It sounds like Indiana is one of the latest states to get approval from the FDA to allow higher levels of aflatoxins for feed corn.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/27/us-usa-drought-aflatoxin-indiana-idUSBRE88Q1V620120927

Some other states that have lowered the standards are Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, S Dakota. It sounds like the further south the corn was grown (or the more drought stricken) the higher the likelihood of aflatoxin in the corn. That corn from Canada that was mentioned earlier in the thread sounds like a better bet, but most of us can't get corn from Canada.

That article that was posted before had dried peas as the second ingredient after corn (http://www.themodernhomestead.us/article/waterfowl-1.html) I may look into adding that for my geese.

 

[Miss Lydia]

It is a bit of starch, but I looked into red potatoes versus corn and found this:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fdd/facts/h...s/HHFS_POTATOES_RED_FRESH_F140-F143_Final.pdf

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fdd/facts/hhpfacts/New_HHPFacts/Veges/HHFS_CORN_FRESH_F210_Final.pdf

For the same number of calories, double the amounts on the corn nutrient table.

Looks like corn provides the same amount of carbohydrates, more sugars, less calcium, vitamin C and iron as red potatoes. Corn has a little more protein and some vitamin A that red potatoes don't have.

My understanding is that the colored potatoes, including heirlooms, not the big white starchy potatoes have more nutrients. I still need to look closely and see if I am right about that.

So if we are replacing corn, I don't see a problem with using potatoes. And sweet potatoes are different, too.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fdd/facts/h...HHFS_SWEET_POTATOES_FRESH_F160-F163_Final.pdf

They have fewer carbohydrates than red potatoes and more Vitamin A, and about the same protein for the same amount of calories.

We are becoming ducky dietitians!

My dh will have me put away.

thanks for the info Amiga, We don't eat many potatoes but when we do I use red potatoes.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Found this when reading about diff grains thought ya'll might like to read it also. http://www.ca.uky.edu/smallflocks/feed_ingredients/grains.html

 

[Amiga]

Found this when reading about diff grains thought ya'll might like to read it also. http://www.ca.uky.edu/smallflocks/feed_ingredients/grains.html

Oooh, nice find. Wow, thanks!

 

[Tivona]

Found this when reading about diff grains thought ya'll might like to read it also. http://www.ca.uky.edu/smallflocks/feed_ingredients/grains.html

Nice link. Thanks!

 

[Haunted55]

Thanks for starting this thread.

I was reading the news on aflatoxins, and thought I would check BYC to see what others thought.

It sounds like Indiana is one of the latest states to get approval from the FDA to allow higher levels of aflatoxins for feed corn.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/27/us-usa-drought-aflatoxin-indiana-idUSBRE88Q1V620120927

Some other states that have lowered the standards are Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, S Dakota. It sounds like the further south the corn was grown (or the more drought stricken) the higher the likelihood of aflatoxin in the corn. That corn from Canada that was mentioned earlier in the thread sounds like a better bet, but most of us can't get corn from Canada.

That article that was posted before had dried peas as the second ingredient after corn (http://www.themodernhomestead.us/article/waterfowl-1.html) I may look into adding that for my geese.

Funny, I was just reading Storey's Guide to Raising Ducks yesterday. In it I found that you do not want to use raw leguemes, they have to be cooked or they will cause problems by inhibiting digestion. It goes on to say that raw peas had been added into a feed being used and problems showed up in egg hatchability. Be careful.

 

[Amiga]

Funny, I was just reading Storey's Guide to Raising Ducks yesterday. In it I found that you do not want to use raw leguemes, they have to be cooked or they will cause problems by inhibiting digestion. It goes on to say that raw peas had been added into a feed being used and problems showed up in egg hatchability. Be careful.

I think we need to get some clarity on this. I have read extension publications that say that spring-sown field peas are okay for poultry, if they do not exceed a certain percentage of the diet.

It has been eye-opening for me to see how dependent I am on other people to be able to feed the ducks. Not just in growing the food, but in knowing what needs to be in the food.