UltraKibble

[destinduck]

I love your analogies on here Kermit. What the funnest thing I could ever think of happening is we all have a great big party somewhere and we actually get to meet everyone on these forums with similiar bird interests in REAL LIFE. Wouldnt that be a hoot!!! Boy would thoughts be shattered left and right. I honestly believe most would end up being friends.Sorry Im off Topic.Had to say it

 

[bdfive]

Destinduck, I'm happy you said it and would hope it's true. Different strokes for different folks but no reason we all can't be friends in the end.

Regarding UltraKibble, I intend to use it. My choice and I believe my peafowl will be be healthier. I did a search in the Forums of UPA and couldn't find even a mention of the product. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place. Maybe those that have stated members don't support UK can post a few links so we can read it for ourselves. I so appreciate all the help I've received from everyone here on BYC and don't judge anyone for their differences in opinions. I love you all. I'm retired, moved from 28 years in the City of Seattle to the Hill Country of Texas. What a lifestyle change. Hadn't even had a dog in 25 years and now I find myself with 2 Mini Aussies and a bunch of peafowl all due to 1 residing on the 5 acres when we bought it. He stayed through the construction of a 2,400 sq ft RV garage with concrete slab plus 3,200 sq ft of house slab. Can you imagine the amount of concrete trucks coming and going. I was a lost soul regarding how to care for these magnificent creatures so turned to the Peafowl forum where I read long before I finally posted. I'm grateful to each and every one of you.

 

[Resolution]

I would probably try ultrakibble if it were readily available at TSC but it is not yet.

I would humbly submit that I can tell a difference when using the 4health brand over generic cat/dog food as the supplement.

I do supplement with corn during the winter. Winter is the only time my peafowl will readily take corn.

Yeah- that's a bummer they don't just have it on stock. They certainly ordered a bunch. I couldn't believe the order (!) Failry certain we've never sold that much material in all the years combined.

Destin Duck,

I know I'm a smart kulan. Laughing is my job and I labour at it. There are plenty of other kulans here but I think they are more onager in disposition and temperament. I think about going to conventions and stuff- buy the tickets hotel rooms -and then change my mind at the last minute every time. But my New Year's RESOLUTION is to get out more and be less of a hermit. Parties are fun. Let's do this!

 

[zazouse]

When the time comes and i have to pen my peahens i will give it a try.
I can see why most places do not carry it, it is high dollar just like calf mana but it is a supplement and should last a good while depending on how much they are fed, so it has to have a long shelf life or it will go bad and the company will loose money.

How much should be fed to the peas?
My peas don't eat much at one time they prefer to forage and eat bits at a time.

 

[deerman]

Destinduck, I'm happy you said it and would hope it's true. Different strokes for different folks but no reason we all can't be friends in the end.

Regarding UltraKibble, I intend to use it. My choice and I believe my peafowl will be be healthier. I did a search in the Forums of UPA and couldn't find even a mention of the product. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place. Maybe those that have stated members don't support UK can post a few links so we can read it for ourselves. I so appreciate all the help I've received from everyone here on BYC and don't judge anyone for their differences in opinions. I love you all. I'm retired, moved from 28 years in the City of Seattle to the Hill Country of Texas. What a lifestyle change. Hadn't even had a dog in 25 years and now I find myself with 2 Mini Aussies and a bunch of peafowl all due to 1 residing on the 5 acres when we bought it. He stayed through the construction of a 2,400 sq ft RV garage with concrete slab plus 3,200 sq ft of house slab. Can you imagine the amount of concrete trucks coming and going. I was a lost soul regarding how to care for these magnificent creatures so turned to the Peafowl forum where I read long before I finally posted. I'm grateful to each and every one of you.

Ok first like to say i'm at peace with myself ....anyone who want to try feeding it thats their choice.

now i made that statement so here goes.

Some members were given the feed to try. My Statement was base on personal comment made from other peafowl breeders, to me . Also talk between breeders about feed, it has been around for 8 years or so.

Don't you think if it was the great feed for peafowl.......most top breeders would have been using it by NOW.

Will it hurt your birds NO.....do your birds need it. IMO NO.

I feed a premix feed have for well over 20 year.....so IMO i let those mixing the feed add the supplements.

are peafowl turkey no , but real close in my book. they are now cats,fish,dogs, either but those feed are fed with good results.

IMO look at breeders of peafowl in your area feed their birds. What kind of health their birds look like.

Use one member on here, Minxfox, look at her birds you can tell they are in top shape. does she feed a just standard feed NO , she feed lots different treats ,like sunflower seed......but you sure can't knock her way of feeding by the looks of her birds.

I was just pointing out most Peafowl breeders DO NOT SUPPORT FEEDING UK.....Do I know any peafowl breeders, hell of a lot, do i know any that like feeding UK NO NOT ONE.


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[destinduck]

I have personally met several people in real life from BYC and GWBF forums. And so far all good people I would definitely party with !!! .Even though we had have different opinions on some stuff. I have only not been able to get along( at least in some possible remote way) with 2 people on any bird internet forums in my life.I guess thats pretty dang good. One was the englishman mentioned earlier and one here on BYC. I truly believe the one on here is Bi-polar or something of that nature and truly cant help it. Im not alone by any means on this thinking. Because one moment she says nice comments or intelligent helpful knowledge and the next time she post something crazy or you have no clue how to take what she does say. She choses to be another anonymous internet phantom. Either way I personally have no use for a person such as this for reasons stated.

 

[Resolution]

When the time comes and i have to pen my peahens i will give it a try.
I can see why most places do not carry it, it is high dollar just like calf mana but it is a supplement and should last a good while depending on how much they are fed, so it has to have a long shelf life or it will go bad and the company will loose money.

How much should be fed to the peas?
My peas don't eat much at one time they prefer to forage and eat bits at a time.

It's a hard kibble like pet food. Its shelf life is ~ 45-65% longer than that of soft pellets and mashes. Just store it in a dry, cool place away from rodents and it's good to go for a few months.
Free ranging birds- I just put it out for the yard birds in a 1-10 ratio and the peafowl come and go as they please- take what the lay hens are eating and when I have a moment to drink them in I'll bring a handful and throw it out as healthy treat. The bag has all the specific ration information right on it for peafowl of different species.

 

[PeepsCA]

Unfortunately Ultra Kibble is not a available at my only local Tractor Supply either (25 miles away)

, otherwise I'd use it on regular basis, or as a semi-regular supplement at the very least - before and during breeding/laying season to help condition my birds. Not just for my Peas, but for the 100+ Guineas I have/breed as well.

Yah, sure, it's a little more expensive than high quality soy free cat or dog food, but it is formulated for birds, rather than for cats and dogs, a major point which I hold in high regards. I worry about the extra ingredients and certain nutrient levels in some of the dry pet foods I've used or am using, and what issues they may cause down the line for my birds.

Res... You should send out free samples to BYC'rs to try and see how well their birds like it (Hint Hint Hint!).

 

[Resolution]

Deerman, you've really got me curious now. Who was given samples of UltraKibble and by whom? As I'm the person that requests samples be sent I'm at a complete loss.
Elton Housely certainly uses it and so does Norm Johnson (UPA member) but those are the only peafowl breeders that I've ever requested samples sent to-Wait- also Virgil Bates and Sid.
Of course Sid's samples were sent something like four years ago. That was two formulas ago. UltraKibble has only been on the market for two years. Everyone but Sid buys our products and Sid has never said a word to me about why he doesn't. The other gentleman named here have all contributed in the perfection of each formula. There are other peafowl breeders out there that use these products. I'm certain that ours are the only products with a peacock actually depicted on the bag...So- the average hobbyist shopping for feed that keeps peafowl and that hasn't been poisoned against feeding their birds something actually formulated specifically for peafowl will probably be picking some up.

Getting back to the last bulk samples- sent by the ton- four years ago-
The previous product was called Hunter Kibble and it was made with soy and corn.
UltraKibble is the latest formula -it replaced most corn with sorghum and is soy free. The oil spill in the gulf destroyed our source of crustacean meal. We sell 50 tons every few weeks so we had to replace that with farmed salmon meal as we just can't get quality crustacean meal in the bulk that we require.
We also increased certain ratios of specific vitamins and minerals and so on. I should note we had to work to make our kibble more palatable as well. It takes time to perfect a feed formula.
Anyone that is sent samples is also sent a form to fill out that helps us improve our products. Feed trials and science only get you so far. It's the customers that bring you to the goal line.

The facts are the facts.

It doesn't surprise me that these "big time peacock breeders" are against using any product that they haven't been using for years. Peafowl breeders don't seem to comprise of a single demographic.

Most people that raise peafowl also raise other kinds of creatures. The big time peafowl breeders drop ship for hatcheries? Or do they sell their culls at auctions and swap meets? How many peafowl are sold every year? I've never really thought about it. I have some data on guineafowl from what Ralph has shared with me over the years. We've also developed some close relationships with major heritage breed turkey breeders, some of your favorite hatcheries are customers too...I just don't think the peafowl set have gotten to that stage of development yet. It's a brand new trend- "the peacock industry".

Frankly, it's the small farms and gamebird breeders that purchase the most material. You could stack ten of the "big time peacock breeders" one on top of the other and bundle all the feed they purchase in one year and still not come close to what the countries egg farmers are buying every month and they've been buying our products by the ton for years. That's our bread and butter.

I truly wish the peafowl breeders would come around but everyone knows that's like herding guineas through a maze.

What we've seen over the last many years is that the largest majority of people that buy these products continue to and they buy everything in the product line. I can't say that for some of my other feed products manufactured and distributed by other companies.

But that doesn't mean I'm just going to give up on them. One has to be dedicated to animal husbandry and truly love the discipline to bother with creating feeds. You certainly don't get into the chicken feed business to get rich, especially selling supplements. There are better business models.

Selling supplements -the average person buys a bag of kibble and that's all they need for a year. That's not big business. I make feed because I love animals and the people that love them, even those that eat tin cans for lunch and work overtime trying to make me out to be some sort of conniving jerk.
Lots of things to do in the day and if you think being a feed salesman pays my bills you've got to be nuttier than squirrel poop.

And lastly, food is medicine . Think about if for minute. Can you possibly debate that reasoning?


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[Resolution]

Unfortunately Ultra Kibble is not a available at my only local Tractor Supply either (25 miles away)

, otherwise I'd use it on regular basis, or as a semi-regular supplement at the very least - before and during breeding/laying season to help condition my birds. Not just for my Peas, but for the 100+ Guineas I have/breed as well.

Yah, sure, it's a little more expensive than high quality soy free cat or dog food, but it is formulated for birds, rather than for cats and dogs, a major point which I hold in high regards. I worry about the extra ingredients and certain nutrient levels in some of the dry pet foods I've used or am using, and what issues they may cause down the line for my birds.

Res... You should send out free samples to BYC'rs to try and see how well their birds like it (Hint Hint Hint!).

Call the company and ask for a sample...let them know it's not available at your local tractor supply.