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UPDATE 9/29: Coccidia
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I am in agreement with most of above although peace of mind may lead to nightmares later. If parasite is not causing problems, then do not treat. Every treatment, whether parasite is causing problem or not is getting you closer to having an anti-biotic resistant strain of cocci were the treatment will not be effective even when parasite is causing problems. The reccommendation by vet to use anti-bacterial would be to suppress secondary infection caused by cocci damage.
I am in agreement with most of above although peace of mind may lead to nightmares later. If parasite is not causing problems, then do not treat. Every treatment, whether parasite is causing problem or not is getting you closer to having an anti-biotic resistant strain of cocci were the treatment will not be effective even when parasite is causing problems. The reccommendation by vet to use anti-bacterial would be to suppress secondary infection caused by cocci damage.
You can, and it won't hurt them. I doesn't really prevent cocci, but it reduces the chance that it will be that bad if they do get it. They can still develop the required immunity.
Dawg53 mentioned that there is no withdrawal. What he is talking about is that you don't have to wait for them to clear the stuff out of their system before you can eat the eggs. There is some differing opinion on that. My next comments are on the preventative dosage, not treatment level. Some manufacturers, Purina for one, state there is no withdrawal period for the eggs with the preventative medicated feed. Some authorities give a withdrawal up to 4 weeks. The government sites say there in no proof that you need a withdrawal period, but I've seen a few government sites that add that there is also no proof that you don't need a withdrawal period. Whatever all that means. I like what a bird vet said. He did not think it was a big risk because the Amprolium does not pass that readily through the intestinal walls. But due to the conflicting recommendations, he thought a one week withdrawal was reasonable. Being oversafe? Probably. All this discussion is about after they stop using the preventative dosage, not while they are on it.
I don't know what Purina or anyone else says about eating the eggs while they are actually on a preventative dosage. Personally I'd feel a little uncomfortable doing that, especially if I were selling the eggs to where a pregnant woman might be eating them, for example. I don't know that there is any danger or to whom. I just don't know that there is no risk. If you wish, you could check with the manufacurer to see what they say. Certainly don't take my word for anything. I'm not a medical professional.
Dawg53 mentioned that there is no withdrawal. What he is talking about is that you don't have to wait for them to clear the stuff out of their system before you can eat the eggs. There is some differing opinion on that. My next comments are on the preventative dosage, not treatment level. Some manufacturers, Purina for one, state there is no withdrawal period for the eggs with the preventative medicated feed. Some authorities give a withdrawal up to 4 weeks. The government sites say there in no proof that you need a withdrawal period, but I've seen a few government sites that add that there is also no proof that you don't need a withdrawal period. Whatever all that means. I like what a bird vet said. He did not think it was a big risk because the Amprolium does not pass that readily through the intestinal walls. But due to the conflicting recommendations, he thought a one week withdrawal was reasonable. Being oversafe? Probably. All this discussion is about after they stop using the preventative dosage, not while they are on it.
I don't know what Purina or anyone else says about eating the eggs while they are actually on a preventative dosage. Personally I'd feel a little uncomfortable doing that, especially if I were selling the eggs to where a pregnant woman might be eating them, for example. I don't know that there is any danger or to whom. I just don't know that there is no risk. If you wish, you could check with the manufacurer to see what they say. Certainly don't take my word for anything. I'm not a medical professional.
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Well, it may not be causing problems in the pullets (who came w/ it) but my own 2 chickens have had several clean fecals over the years so they have probably never been exposed to it. I am trying to reduce the chances of THEIR getting it as much as I am clearing it up in the new pullets.
Well, it may not be causing problems in the pullets (who came w/ it) but my own 2 chickens have had several clean fecals over the years so they have probably never been exposed to it. I am trying to reduce the chances of THEIR getting it as much as I am clearing it up in the new pullets.
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Well, it may not be causing problems in the pullets (who came w/ it) but my own 2 chickens have had several clean fecals over the years so they have probably never been exposed to it. I am trying to reduce the chances of THEIR getting it as much as I am clearing it up in the new pullets.
Your adult birds that came clean on fecal examinations almost certainly have been exposed and their immune systems keep the cocci suppressed below detection limits of your vet.
Medication is not to eradicate the cocci, rather it is to slow infection long enough to for birds immune system to take over.
Well, it may not be causing problems in the pullets (who came w/ it) but my own 2 chickens have had several clean fecals over the years so they have probably never been exposed to it. I am trying to reduce the chances of THEIR getting it as much as I am clearing it up in the new pullets.
Your adult birds that came clean on fecal examinations almost certainly have been exposed and their immune systems keep the cocci suppressed below detection limits of your vet.
Medication is not to eradicate the cocci, rather it is to slow infection long enough to for birds immune system to take over.
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I would treat no one unless the infection shows clinical signs such as rapid weight loss, loss of appetite, and blood in stool. If treatment used, then be certain to follow directions to the letter. The only time I treat without clinical signs noted above is when the parasite is newly present (recent first time exposure) and birds to be stressed by moving from brooder to chicken tractor or diet is changed from starter to grower.
If you are vigilant, then frequency of treatments can be reduced saving money and reducing medication induced stress on birds that otherwise are not having difficulties with the cocci. Most folks, including me until figured out how to monitor, fail to catch outbreaks quickly and fail start medication soon enough or treat all the time even when not needed thus setting stage for your strain of cocci ultimately becoming immune to your limited arsenal of antibiotics.
Control stress! It seems to increase odds birds immune system will fail to control cocci infection.
I would treat no one unless the infection shows clinical signs such as rapid weight loss, loss of appetite, and blood in stool. If treatment used, then be certain to follow directions to the letter. The only time I treat without clinical signs noted above is when the parasite is newly present (recent first time exposure) and birds to be stressed by moving from brooder to chicken tractor or diet is changed from starter to grower.
If you are vigilant, then frequency of treatments can be reduced saving money and reducing medication induced stress on birds that otherwise are not having difficulties with the cocci. Most folks, including me until figured out how to monitor, fail to catch outbreaks quickly and fail start medication soon enough or treat all the time even when not needed thus setting stage for your strain of cocci ultimately becoming immune to your limited arsenal of antibiotics.
Control stress! It seems to increase odds birds immune system will fail to control cocci infection.
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Well, the 2 new pullets just moved here from their home--they were living w/ other pullets in a large inside area and that hadn't changed for most of their lives, so I'm sure it was stressful losing all their other flock and moving to my place where they only have each other and everything is different!
I'm treating them--following instructions to the letter. 1/2 tsp in 1 gallon water, only water source for 5 days.
I'm treating them--following instructions to the letter. 1/2 tsp in 1 gallon water, only water source for 5 days.
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UPDATE:
After 6 days on Corrid, I waited a few days and then took another sample to the vet's. It was NEGATIVE for Coddidia (or anything else)!!! WHOO HOOO!!!
Since Audrey and Bianca were never sick and they are now negative, seems pretty likely that they will be unable to pass it along to Svetlana and Clarice.
I plan to start the intro next weekend. That will be 3 weeks instead of 4, but they are very healthy and they're just busting out of their small quarantine enclosure. It's time.
After 6 days on Corrid, I waited a few days and then took another sample to the vet's. It was NEGATIVE for Coddidia (or anything else)!!! WHOO HOOO!!!
Since Audrey and Bianca were never sick and they are now negative, seems pretty likely that they will be unable to pass it along to Svetlana and Clarice.
I plan to start the intro next weekend. That will be 3 weeks instead of 4, but they are very healthy and they're just busting out of their small quarantine enclosure. It's time.
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