Update on Dun/Khaki/Platinum Sumatra project

[~SunSetsWest~]

Why Thank You! Ms. Kathy!!

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Those look awesome! I like the dun hen on the bike tire, a nice milk chocolate color. I might have to tell mother about this, I like dun much more than blue and it is more consistant. Can you give us some info on them like how long have dun sumatras been around, who made them, all that. What are your breedings going to be next year? What would happen if you bred a 'platinum' to a black?
I have crossed blue with dun and always gotten dun.

 

[~SunSetsWest~]

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Well, I just heard back the the guy my birds came from and he got his birds back in 2003 then sold out in 2008, said some of his roos had 5 spurs

They (the dun) are a dilute of black same as blue, I would think platinum breed to black would work the same as splash to black, but since platinum is kind of like splash with 2 colors, 1 blue gene and 1 dun, if you bred to black, you should get dun and blue..But I've been wrong before

don't know what next year will bring yet

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Well, I just heard back the the guy my birds came from and he got his birds back in 2003 then sold out in 2008, said some of his roos had 5 spurs

They (the dun) are a dilute of black same as blue, I would think platinum breed to black would work the same as splash to black, but since platinum is kind of like splash with 2 colors, 1 blue gene and 1 dun, if you bred to black, you should get dun and blue..But I've been wrong before

don't know what next year will bring yet

I don't think so. Two genes, each in a het state. You'll end up with some birds carrying Bl/bl I^D/i+ (platinum as you say), some carrying Bl/bl i+/i+ (blue), some carrying bl/bl I^D/i+ (dun) and some carrying bl/bl i+/i+ (black). Someone else can work the percentages for each.​

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Well I know how it works, lol. What I was wondering is what color they would be, would it seperate to blue and dun or be a different black diluter that is an inbetween of blue and dun.

 

[Henk69]

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Sounds like you have doubts about the platinum combination.
If not could you elaborate the question?

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Well its not that I have doubts, I am just curious because when we did the cross with wyandottes we always got dun. Could it be that platinum is a different shade of khaki?
So if a platinum was mated to a black since its basically splash you would get all of one color and I am wondering what color it would be. Since platinum is an inbetween of blue and dun would the result of platinum x black be a dirty blue (mix of dun and blue) or would you get blue and dun.

 

[Henk69]

So you crossed dun and blue...
What did you segregate? I know I asked this long time ago @the-coop or so.

You should get 25% black 25% dun 25% blue and 25% platinum/khaki or whatever the combination dun+blue looks like.
So not getting platinum/khaki could be coincedence.

I think that dun-platinum-khaki is a continuum of shades.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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On my chocolate (dun) silkie project I have some fairly light coloured birds that I KNOW are het for dun. I also have some darker ones that are difficult to tell from blues, and am speculating that they are I^D/i+, Bl/bl. Here are some of the photos. Note that the light coloured birds have a long way to go: F1 crosses.

Silkies: one chocolate, one blue

F1 SilkieXPolish

And lightest, but still het. for dun:

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

When I crossed dun and blue I got about 25% black, 50% dun, and 25% khaki (splash). I have done it a couple times, the first was a solid dun on BLR then last year was a dun laced on BLR. I didnt take pictures of the offspring but I dont think that they showed any difference than the normal dun and khaki.

Could the difference be that the original poster used a blue rooster on dun hens? Or could it be just a different khaki? I noticed when we got olid khaki birds there was some variation, mostly in the roosters, some would be the nice even color while others would be the light shade with darker feathers. I dont recall ever seeing any with lacing though other than our original dun cock which looked blue as a chick.