I will do a proper post about my coop adventure / disaster for our first coop build but for the moment HHHEEEEELLLLLPPPPPP ! I need to make layout (including fllor door cutting) first thing in the morning. We have basically converted an A frame coop (the Ana White one) into a coop on a run base as half way through the build I hated it and decided it was way to small! Anyway this is just our secondary coop long term, I'll be building a walk in larger coop for the winter. So by adding the under area and a floor to the base of the A frame we end up with a small coop not a tiny coop! So my issue is we have about 1.4m x 1.3m (4.5ft x just under 4.5 ft) of floor space (base of the A frame). I need to fit in the roost, nest boxes (I'll hang some off the side eventually but for my 3 girls (not yet laying) and 2 silkies (if I can integrate them) I'll just put 2 freestanding next boxes to start with). Also the thing that is totally doing my head in - the hole in the floor to walk down the ramp to the downstairs. Here is a couple of pics to help you visualise it (sorry not taken any the last 2 days of work) to give you an idea! and a more recent one with the lower part of the sides (the gap is now hardcloth) and one side of the A will be a solid wall and the other side has a lift up door to the top area and to the coop area - this will have hardcoth framed to fit into it so when it is hot the door can be propped up like a verandah and they will have an open side to the coop. So how so you think I should I lay it out? (I keep changing my mind / not being sure and driving my DH mad!). Bearing in mind it is almost square and one side of the A opens totally up for me to access to clean etc. No food or water in the coop sleeping area, just below in the hardcoth base. Daytime they have access to a large run or freeranging The floor hole: ( I realise now that it would be soooooooo much easier to have a exit off a wall but too late - just need to work with what I have already built (this is so a learning curve!). I read that about 15 inches by 12 inches is enough for a in floor hole - is this right? When we wanted to cut it today and realised there was lots of questions hubby was worried about - all the shavings falling out? Thoughts? I wish we didn't need to do a downward door but that is how it is and we just have to adapt. Any tips for doing this most appreciated - very little info on the web! Do they need space around it - how do they get themselves from the ramp to the floor - just jump up (sorry I'm so new to having chickens!) What landing / moving space do they need around the top of the ramp / hole opening? Are my silkies going to be able to get up a ramp to the first floor (2nd floor in the apex which was originally the main floor going to be storage at the moment)? Have I forgotten anything? Bed time here but we are literally getting up and trying to get it finished (gorgeous weather tomorrow then foul rain and storms Thursday so want to get them in our lovely new warm coop by end tomorrow so they are happy). I look forward to much to your advice and replies - thanks!