Urgent respiratory wheezing-help with Tylan injection please

[kennedyscochins]

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I have used it in the eye also. I inject just under the skin on the back of the neck and massage it in. If your chickens do have a bacterial resp. infection, you should see results very quickly. Mine were better in just a few hours!

 

[TruNorth Farm]

deerman-
I am simply trying to make available information that has been given to me by professionals in the field. The vet mentioned above does regularly treat birds, including chickens. If what you've done works with your birds, that's great. If you disagree with me, advocate for your method, but there is no reason to be hostile.

In my opinion, the opinion of my vet and 2 other DVMs I've spoken with since this topic came up, giving Tylan-50 to a different species than indicated doesn't change the composition and correct administration of the drug, which is IM.

A horse wouldn't be given a Intramuscular West Nile Virus vaccine intravenously and a diabetic wouldn't drink a bottle of insulin that is designed to be injected.

I don't believe this forum is intended for squabbling among us; we're here to help, not degrade and attack each other. If you have further comments or want to debate about poultry drugs, feel free to PM me.

Otherwise, all the best to you Cheryl, and I do hope this thread was helpful.

 

[dlhunicorn]

No one has attacked you personally.

I have found no (veterinary) confirmation that earlier posted dosage in incorrect (yes it was an "older" article but written by an avian vet).

In the avian formulary >link below > is dosge info (for supporting info see chapter 17)
http://www.avianmedicine.net/ampa/18.pdf

...again, dosage is determined by the weight of the bird.

Most of the warnings (re possible muscle damage at injection site) have been associated with the use of the tylan 200 > for the tylan 50 I have seen admonitions (veterinary resource material) to ensure that one uses a different injection place (so not to inject it in the same place).

 

[TruNorth Farm]

The earlier posted dosage info was perfect. Great calculations: 0.4 to 1.5cc (for Cheryl's young Maran, I'd say 0.5cc is fine)
(from this link: http://www.afn.org/~poultry/newsletr/1997/paug97.pdf )

The info from the avianmedicine.net ebook is great too; Dr. Branson Ritchie has done some fantastic work. Highly recommended reading if you ask me (though for some reason I can't convince my sweetheart that he should read it. I guess he'd rather watch football than read the 1380 pages. He'd also probably rather do the dishes, muck the horse stalls, clean the coops...)

The issue wasn't at all the dosage: it is the method of injection. As stated on both the ebook and the afn.org "Chicken Injections" article, it's IM.
The article on "Chicken Medications" by Dr. J Barton is what i said was outdated (as linked to on your other post on the subject).

 

[dlhunicorn]

I am not in a position to judge any veterniary literature/advice.
I have not run across anything in the literature to contraindicate the advice of the vet in the AFN article... I always try to compare several references with each other ... the more one reads the more one realizes that it is all so very complicated and I feel this is important to remember > what may be clear to a vet from a short summary such as in the formulary link I posted above is not to the non-professional. I for one am glad I have access to affordable vets (poultry specialist) so I do not have to play russian roulette with the available info > and even my vet quickly admits to the difficulties of diagnosis and treatment decisions> I know everyone would prefer to leave treatment in the capable hands of a specialist but it is unfortunately not possible in many areas.

ETA: Here is an excellent illustration showing proper injection sites in the breast
http://www.thebirdclinic.com/UploadedFiles/BirdClinicHandout16.pdf

more misc. info on injections;
http://dlhunicorn.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=practical&action=display&num=1158272823

 

[deerman]

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Not trying to be hostile,or attack you. Just want everyone to know the danger of injecting tylan in the muscle..
Lot of different of a 2in. area damage muscle on cattle, than a 2in. damage muscle area on a chicken.. Just under the skin, or orally does cure the bird so why risk the damage to the muscle. Like I said I do if the bird is near death. Works faster, but the other way does work.

You will find this topic has people on both sides in the peafowl world too.

Using tylan 50, 100, or 200 are all trail and errow.. when it come too birds...So i take advise from top peafowl breeders that have been using it for year, and learn from their mistakes.

Again not attacking you ,just disagree with your way of giving this med.

 

[cherylcohen]

This is a great forum but as a newbie it does get daunting when there are so many different opinions that are presented with such strong cases.

I injected tylan 50 1/2 cc yesterday and today into my Harriet's left breast, avoiding the crop of course and this morning I didn't hear any wheezing, but it also could be that I didn't want to hear it!!

Wishful thinking and all.

I'm going to give her another shot tomorrow which will be the 3rd day. I may continue for 2 more days as the vets have suggested. I'm keeping her inside the house in a dog crate with lots of extra protein and vitamins and electrolytes in the water.

Thanks for everyone's advice. - I just wish as a newbie (as probably most of the members here are) we were able to get some true chicken vets to weigh in. I would trust anyone that had treatment advice from a vet. And in the spirit of sharing, it's nice to hear what has worked for others, but I think it should be presented as just that and not a true avians vets advice.

Thanks to all, I post her progress

 

[naked_heels]

Besides injecting options, are there any Tylan 50 water soluble type or any other water soluble medicine to cure the weezing and bubble eye in the market out there? If there are some, please post the link below. I rather do water soluble then injecting, my rooster is weezing and had a bubble on his eye. Thank you in advance

 

[Wayne&Kim1963]

I use Tylan 200 in drinking water. It has to be changed every 3 days minumum. I like to change it daily. You put 3cc to every gallon of water and the baby chickens will drink it. For adults I use 3-4cc depending on how sick they are. You must use it at least 3 to 4 days. I use it to treat sore joints in chicks, diarrhea, and colds. I will inject .5 cc or less depending on size under the skin on the breast. You do not want to go IV so watch for veins and aspirate before you inject to make sure no blood.
Hope you have a great day
Kim

 

[Bantimna]

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i go as far down from the head , dont worry they hardly notice

you can do this

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And good to hear your Harriet is doing better