US Crele and White Sport Legbar Breeders - Alternative Legbar Group, for those not breeding to the P

[KendyF]

Obviously she has some issues... Tail, etc. Although her neck is cream or white vs. yellow or gold her feathers are brown and not grey. Once again, I love her coloring. She reminds me of a sunrise. She would not fit the Proposed Creme Standards.

 

[sol2go]

Obviously she has some issues... Tail, etc. Although her neck is cream or white vs. yellow or gold her feathers are brown and not grey. Once again, I love her coloring. She reminds me of a sunrise. She would not fit the Proposed Creme Standards.

One reason I think time to purposefully develop crele legbars is important, is the appearance of the hens. Will there be distinctions that help to differentiate the cream from the crele? Will the distinctions be significant and readily identifiable, or will they be so subtle that it will be difficult for the general chicken enthusiast to differentiate a cream hen from a crele?

I suspect the answer will follow the development of the roosters.

On another note, Welsummers and Cream Legbar hens are readily differentiated side by side. However, the crosses look an awful lot like "gold" Cream Legbars as pullets. Allowing more melanized crele leg bar hens might help to accentuate barring? I would also like to see an emphasis on dark crests for the creles. Comments?

 

[Junibutt]

I know there are lot of frustrated folks like me who do not have "Cream" birds which I think are almost Silver and not cream but, lets try to find some common ground as a last ditch effort before giving up. I am posting here to appreciate the way you guys feel. I am all for colorful birds.

Here are a few pics of my "non-cream" Legbars: My roo has 70% red earlobes so that is a DQ anyways but if you can ignore that you may find some nice things in my birds.

Also, they carry the recessive white genes so I got some White Sport chicks in my last hatch.

















Here are some pics of the White Sport Legbar that was hatched April 4th.

 

[KendyF]

I know there are lot of frustrated folks like me who do not have "Cream" birds which I think are almost Silver and not cream but, lets try to find some common ground as a last ditch effort before giving up. I am posting here to appreciate the way you guys feel. I am all for colorful birds.

Here are a few pics of my "non-cream" Legbars: My roo has 70% red earlobes so that is a DQ anyways but if you can ignore that you may find some nice things in my birds.

Also, they carry the recessive white genes so I got some White Sport chicks in my last hatch.

















Here are some pics of the White Sport Legbar that was hatched April 4th.

They are beautiful.

 

[KendyF]

Well, after spending a while reading the discussion of alternative colors and SOP discussion it is very clear there are many who feel these more colorful birds fit into the SOP. I would still like to see hear your experiences with breeding these colorful birds and it may help define the breed as well. Please post your breeding experiments with your flock whether you are aiming for the Crele color or working toward Cream.

 

[sol2go]

I know there are lot of frustrated folks like me who do not have "Cream" birds which I think are almost Silver and not cream but, lets try to find some common ground as a last ditch effort before giving up. I am posting here to appreciate the way you guys feel. I am all for colorful birds.

Here are a few pics of my "non-cream" Legbars: My roo has 70% red earlobes so that is a DQ anyways but if you can ignore that you may find some nice things in my birds.

Also, they carry the recessive white genes so I got some White Sport chicks in my last hatch.






Here are some pics of the White Sport Legbar that was hatched April 4th.

The hen and rooster pictured above would be my starting points for a beautiful crele flock. They both have beautiful colors, great barring on the tails and nice stocky bodies, but that hen is exceptional. The rooster also has nice saturated colors. I would love to see how bold the colors of the offspring could look? As I have mentioned before, the crele colorations may favor the dark crest on the hens which so many people love, as do I. Your birds look like they have awesome yellow legs.

How often do you hatch the white sports? I have been told it does not affect the SOP outcomes as they only require 50% of the offspring to meet the standards. I recently have a breeding trio that is producing white sports, much to my surprise, but it is less than 25% of the time.

 

[kjbizy1]

The hen and rooster pictured above would be my starting points for a beautiful crele flock.  They both have beautiful colors, great barring on the tails and nice stocky bodies, but that hen is exceptional.  The rooster also has nice saturated colors.  I would love to see how bold the colors of the offspring could look?  As I have mentioned before, the crele colorations may favor the dark crest on the hens which so many people love, as do I.  Your birds look like they have awesome yellow legs.

How often do you hatch the white sports?  I have been told it does not affect the SOP outcomes as they only require 50% of the offspring to meet the standards.  I recently have a breeding trio that is producing white sports, much to my surprise, but it is less than 25% of the time.

Not,a bad start at all!

 

[Junibutt]

Thanks so much for your compliments. Unfortunately the hen "Faith" was sold as a layer based on some negative comments about color 6 months ago. She is currently hatching some mutt chicks. I still have the other hen pics 1, 2, 5 and 6. named Hope and another one (not pictured) Sheila who is a little petite (4 lbs 11 oz). I am currently trying to isolate and collect both hen's eggs so that I can find out whether one of them carries the white sport gene or both.

I had set 10 eggs for Easter and all 10 hatched. Out of them 3 were white (its funny initially I thought I messed up and mixed EE eggs with my Legbars) I kept 1 of them, 2 are with a friend and she is giving me back the cockerel. However, I will not breed them together and am looking to find someone who is willing to swap a cockerel or couple of pullets. I wonder if that makes any difference because the gene still has a single source (GFF).

The remaining 7 chicks were given to a 4H group to grow out based on a promise that if they are sold at any point, I will have the first right of refusal. I will post some pics as soon as I have access to them.

The hen and rooster pictured above would be my starting points for a beautiful crele flock. They both have beautiful colors, great barring on the tails and nice stocky bodies, but that hen is exceptional. The rooster also has nice saturated colors. I would love to see how bold the colors of the offspring could look? As I have mentioned before, the crele colorations may favor the dark crest on the hens which so many people love, as do I. Your birds look like they have awesome yellow legs.

How often do you hatch the white sports? I have been told it does not affect the SOP outcomes as they only require 50% of the offspring to meet the standards. I recently have a breeding trio that is producing white sports, much to my surprise, but it is less than 25% of the time.

 

[KPenley]

Perhaps describing the hen body color as brownish gray or taupe will help differentiate between the cream and tricolor varieties.

 

[Texas4T]

I am nobody from nowhere in this discussion, only having gotten "into" Legbars by chance and only in the last couple of months. But, as someone who acquired "older" birds, and birds that don't really seem to "look" the way the Cream standard is written...I will post photos later, have some on another thread...I was almost completely turned off the breed by the back-and-forth, sometimes vehement, discussion on the perfection of color. I had decided to sell them and forget Legbars (in spite of my LOVE of blue eggs and EXCITEMENT about the breed initially). But then I began to see the discussions on Crele, melanization, cream-vs-gold, etc...and had to wonder here...

Why didn't they just propose the name "Crested Legbars" to allow for different color varieties?

(I have bred horses, cattle, rabbits, and goats at different times and for different reasons, and for showing, since 1977...this Legbar thing really baffles me!)

Pardon my obvious ignorance and joining so late in the game here. Frankly, I have to agree that the Blue Egg is the first point, and the rest is secondary, tertiary, etc...
I welcome enlightenment in all forms and won't get prickly or insulted.
Thank you.