US Crele and White Sport Legbar Breeders - Alternative Legbar Group, for those not breeding to the P

[KPenley]

I am nobody from nowhere in this discussion, only having gotten "into" Legbars by chance and only in the last couple of months.  But, as someone who acquired "older" birds, and birds that don't really seem to "look" the way the Cream standard is written...I will post photos later, have some on another thread...I was almost completely turned off the breed by the back-and-forth, sometimes vehement, discussion on the perfection of color.  I had decided to sell them and forget Legbars (in spite of my LOVE of blue eggs and EXCITEMENT about the breed initially).  But then I began to see the discussions on Crele, melanization, cream-vs-gold, etc...and had to wonder here...

Why didn't they just propose the name "Crested Legbars" to allow for different color varieties?

(I have bred horses, cattle, rabbits, and goats at different times and for different reasons, and for showing, since 1977...this Legbar thing really baffles me!)

Pardon my obvious ignorance and joining so late in the game here.  Frankly, I have to agree that the Blue Egg is the first point, and the rest is secondary, tertiary, etc...
I welcome enlightenment in all forms and won't get prickly or insulted.
Thank you.

I'll answer if that's ok, since I've been around a while. Good question. The name you mentioned was brought up. But we did not create the Cream Legbar, it was imported, and after advice from our APA mentor and MUCH discussion we decided to pursue as close to the original standardized bird as possible. We had the cream variety and it's history is somewhat monumental in the genetics world, so that is where we're starting. Because judges from the UK will be coming to help judge our qualifiers this will help us immensely in our quest to have the breed recognized by the APA. Plus we had to start with one variety, then others can follow easier. The breed is Legbar, as it is in the UK. The varieties can be whatever name is decided on by the group developing the color set. If you are interested in pursuing a more colorful variety, welcome! I hope to see multiple Legbar varieties in the future. They are all beautiful and so useful with the Autosexing feature! Plus we know we love those blue eggs! Btw, you may find that your birds are not so far off as you might have thought in the color department, and type is much more important than color. Best wishes!

 

[KendyF]

I am nobody from nowhere in this discussion, only having gotten "into" Legbars by chance and only in the last couple of months. But, as someone who acquired "older" birds, and birds that don't really seem to "look" the way the Cream standard is written...I will post photos later, have some on another thread...I was almost completely turned off the breed by the back-and-forth, sometimes vehement, discussion on the perfection of color. I had decided to sell them and forget Legbars (in spite of my LOVE of blue eggs and EXCITEMENT about the breed initially). But then I began to see the discussions on Crele, melanization, cream-vs-gold, etc...and had to wonder here...

Why didn't they just propose the name "Crested Legbars" to allow for different color varieties?

(I have bred horses, cattle, rabbits, and goats at different times and for different reasons, and for showing, since 1977...this Legbar thing really baffles me!)

Pardon my obvious ignorance and joining so late in the game here. Frankly, I have to agree that the Blue Egg is the first point, and the rest is secondary, tertiary, etc...
I welcome enlightenment in all forms and won't get prickly or insulted.
Thank you.

I am curious if the bird pictured in your avatar is from your flock? Because despite what you have heard elsewhere, if that is one of your birds I don't think it is that far off. Please post your birds here, you will not be attacked. Most of us want to see the breed more forward more than we want to fight about color. I too had some really nasty comments on my birds, but when I got to know the people working on the breed, I felt much better.

 

[Texas4T]

Thank you very much for your explanations. I appreciate you taking the time. I will try to get some good pics today and post them here. Weather permitting.

 

[Junibutt]

Anyone here breeding the White Sport? I have an 8 weeks old trio from the same parents so would like to get a similar aged cockerel or a pair for genetic diversity. I have been told it wouldn't matter much because it's the same gene pool coming from GFF flock but still want to try.

I have more White Sport chicks hatching June 6th if someone is interested. Please PM me.

 

[sol2go]

Anyone here breeding the White Sport? I have an 8 weeks old trio from the same parents so would like to get a similar aged cockerel or a pair for genetic diversity. I have been told it wouldn't matter much because it's the same gene pool coming from GFF flock but still want to try.

I have more White Sport chicks hatching June 6th if someone is interested. Please PM me.

I have a new breeding trio (reasonably unrelated to each other) that have started popping out white sports. I can offer hatching eggs...

I was away from the thread for a bit, glad to see new posts.

 

[Junibutt]

I have a new breeding trio (reasonably unrelated to each other) that have started popping out white sports. I can offer hatching eggs...

I was away from the thread for a bit, glad to see new posts.

Thanks, I will keep in mind for my next hatch. I think I am done for spring and summer but you never know when chicken-fever gets you!

 

[Frenchcuffs13]

Subscribed to this thread. I find it fascinating how genes work and the appearance of sports. Personally, I think colors other than cream are just as, if not prettier! I hope this thread gets going and others join in.
BTW, I used to show cat & horses- most breeds allow for certain colors, not just one. I'd hate to see legabrs go down as a one color only breed (boring!)

 

[KendyF]

Not only do we need your voices on this thread, we need your voices in the Cream Legbar Club. I love my colored flock, and will not breed them to be strictly white and gray. I think the main issue, is What is Cream?

 

[sol2go]

Not only do we need your voices on this thread, we need your voices in the Cream Legbar Club. I love my colored flock, and will not breed them to be strictly white and gray. I think the main issue, is What is Cream?

Maybe the more interesting question is "what is not cream" ?!
And that is the joy of this thread. Go out and explore. Maximize your sunny flock.
The Cream Legbar Club is not an adversary. There are those who are trying to breed to the Cream SOP, and also support a more colorful flock, independent of the Cream SOP. It's all about what we have to work with, and it all came from the same starting point.
I think of it like a prism. The Creams are "white" light, and the Creles are that white light refracted into a more colorful spectrum.

Well, chicken chores are calling my name...

 

[Frenchcuffs13]

It seems everyone's perception of color is a bit different. That's why the egg charts are handy. Maybe we need a feather color chart