USDA being sued by HSUS

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Settin'_Pretty :

With all due respect, if those factory farms disappeared tomorrow, a lot of people would starve, like them or not.

a valid point, however, i choose to think that after a short period of confusion, americans would quickly "re" embrace the old ways of food production.

there are too many capable, productive people in this country to stand idly by. i would even argue that the individuals on this board represent a fair chunk of the population that has some interest in sustainability.​

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

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a valid point, however, i choose to think that after a short period of confusion, americans would quickly "re" embrace the old ways of food production.

there are too many capable, productive people in this country to stand idly by. i would even argue that the individuals on this board represent a fair chunk of the population that has some interest in sustainability.

And you think the people on this board can replace the millions of birds just Tyson chicken alone sells in a years time?

It's gotten to be how it is for a reason.
There are over 6 1/2 billion people on this planet now and even with factory farms there is still a food shortage.

We simply don't have enough land for everyone to have their 40 acres and a mule.

As much as I dislike the factory farms, I dislike starving even more.

 

[Frozen Feathers]

Well, it doesn't surprise me that the organization would try and pull something like that off. All you have to do is look at the head honchos of organization. Former members of ALF and the "unmentionable" organization.

I certainly don't agree with factory farms, and it takes some effort not to support them directly. But ultimately we are supporting them in one way or another. Bone char is in tires, dairy by-products in plastics, I could elaborate, but rather not.

But if the organization knew something wrong was going on, they should have reported it rather then letting the animals suffer. Ultimately isn't that supposedly their goal, to end animal suffering??
Organizations like that confuse me.

 

[Frozen Feathers]

Settin'_Pretty :

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a valid point, however, i choose to think that after a short period of confusion, americans would quickly "re" embrace the old ways of food production.

there are too many capable, productive people in this country to stand idly by. i would even argue that the individuals on this board represent a fair chunk of the population that has some interest in sustainability.

And you think the people on this board can replace the millions of birds just Tyson chicken alone sells in a years time?

It's gotten to be how it is for a reason.
There are over 6 1/2 billion people on this planet now and even with factory farms there is still a food shortage.

We simply don't have enough land for everyone to have their 40 acres and a mule.

As much as I dislike the factory farms, I dislike starving even more.​

I disagree there is a food shortage. The US alone produces enough food to feed the entire world, probably twice over. That's why most Americans are too fat...lol. The reason people go hungry are politics and poverty.

For example North Korea, we send them aid, but it simply does not get to the people who need it. Why? Because the political leaders in that country don't allow it to. Undercover reports have found USDA food we sent over being sold on the black market. It's sad but it happens in many poor countries.

 

[Nupine]

One of the main reasons I am a vegetarian. And people stil think I am out of my mind, dumb, weird, etc.

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

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And you think the people on this board can replace the millions of birds just Tyson chicken alone sells in a years time?

It's gotten to be how it is for a reason.
There are over 6 1/2 billion people on this planet now and even with factory farms there is still a food shortage.

We simply don't have enough land for everyone to have their 40 acres and a mule.

As much as I dislike the factory farms, I dislike starving even more.

I disagree there is a food shortage. The US alone produces enough food to feed the entire world, probably twice over. That's why most Americans are too fat...lol. The reason people go hungry are politics and poverty.

For example North Korea, we send them aid, but it simply does not get to the people who need it. Why? Because the political leaders in that country don't allow it to. Undercover reports have found USDA food we sent over being sold on the black market. It's sad but it happens in many poor countries.

The U.S. doesn't produce enough to feed the world, not even close, but I'll agree politics gets in the way all too often.
STILL if you turn off the factory farm switch tomorrow, you wouldn't have enough grave diggers to cover the bodies.

 

[CUDA]

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Well, in my opinion, their "goal" is to raise funds to pay their fat salaries to their executives by holding on to the information until they can make it into as big of a deal as they can, instead of doing something immediately, which is what they should have done if they were really concerned about solving the problem they found. If you do a little research on the organization, you may be surprised on what you find. They seem to worry more about PR so they can get people to donate to their organization, than they do about animal welfare, or in this case, people's welfare. JMO

 

[CUDA]

Where's the real beef?



As fallout from the nation’s largest beef recall continues to float through newsrooms and school districts, Americans have begun to ask hard questions about the safety of our beef supply and the character of the people who bring it to market. We have a few questions of our own.
First, why did the Humane Society of the United States (organization) sit on its shock-value video for several months? The group has claimed that it spent six weeks “investigating” a Chino, California slaughterhouse and two more weeks looking at the videotapes before giving authorities “extra time” to weigh their options. organization also insists that it “is the last entity that would ever want to sit on the esults; we had no incentive to do so. We were methodical in how we handled the investigation, and how we publicized it, too.”
We’re not buying it. An organization interested in the welfare of cattle would have taken the very first example of animal abuse it found, the very day it was filmed, and showed it to the plant manager. “Clean up your act today and fire these few employees,” a responsible advocate would have said, “or the Sheriff will be our next stop.”
The drawback of this approach for organization, of course, is that no fundraising bonanza would result. (How’s that for an “incentive” for being “methodical” instead of acting with urgency?) And Californians wouldn’t have been politically sensitized to the issues wrapped up in a coming ballot initiativeto ban farm-animal-handling practices organization doesn’t like. (organization has already put over $1.4 million into the effort).
Reacting immediately might not have helped organization, but the animals going through that slaughterhouse in the last few months would certainly have been much better off. Remember them, organization? The animals?
One other nagging question. organization president Wayne Pacelle told the Associated Press yesterday that he chose this particular slaughterhouse at random. What he hasn’t said, though, is how many facilities his workers had to infiltrate before they found one with a problem worth videotaping.
Could it be that organization has been planting employees inside California meatpackers since June 2003, when the group first floated the idea of an animal-rights ballot initiative in the Golden State? Inquirin minds want to know. Especially since it now looks like the current problem was the exception—not the rule.
Courtesy of Bruce Kinsinger

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

Very good posts CUDA
Kudos to CUDA

 

[MTtroutwithwings]

Settin'_Pretty :

With all due respect, if those factory farms disappeared tomorrow, a lot of people would starve, like them or not.

STARVE???!Oh please

We have alot of local farmers out here (& everywhere) who need support, that raise their beef humanely and in a healthy environment. Factory farmers are just in it to make a buck without taking into consideration of the public health, they just, like this situation, hope they don't get caught! And as far as starving? DH & I have been vegetarians for over 25 years and we're hardly starving!

Lori​