USDA being sued by HSUS

[SeaChick]

Jeez, man, I was only offering an argument to YOUR premise that PEOPLE WOULD STARVE if factory farms were shut down...... way back on page one of this thread.

"if those factory farms disappeared tomorrow, a lot of people would starve, like them or not."

I believe that not only would "alot of people" not starve, in fact Americans would ultimately benefit in many ways.

And I also said, "My 2 cents" which means it's my opinion, not that I am trying to force you to bow to my apparently socialist will.

Stacey​

 

[MTtroutwithwings]

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A new member for just two days and you see what you started?

Are you like one of those people that walks in to a fully packed pub/bar and yells, "BAR FIGHT," then makes a run for it?

 

[Cheryl]

Well, I looked at the article and then started watching the Humane Society Films, from chickens to baby harp seals. We don't need "factory" farms, we need LARGE well maintained and humane farms. The word factory has taken on a horrible meaning...alot of people watched those poor cows being pushed and prodded with a fork lift. People need to see this, as depressing as it is, because only then will change happen.

 

[Cheekon]

Go get them organization!

 

[GrandPooBa]

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A new member for just two days and you see what you started?

Are you like one of those people that walks in to a fully packed pub/bar and yells, "BAR FIGHT," then makes a run for it?

Thats me, bar fight where im game

............im here just taking it all in.....slightly off topic, but never the less it all has to do with it in one-way or another...

 

[Settin'_Pretty]

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Tell me how factory farms can exist without abuse of animals.

Back to the original topic, do you think what organization did was wrong?

That would depend on your definition of what abuse is I guess.
I hear many say the fishing is abuse to animals
How do you define it?

I define it by what the bible says on the matter, that animals were given to us for our use and benefit and for FOOD, organization and "P", I guess would have you believe packing a mule or hooking a plow to a horse, or eating a chicken is abuse.

I don't agree with socialists trying to get their agenda in by screaming racism or abuse which is how I see this issue in this thread, if they were truly worried about the animals they would have dealt with it the day they saw it instead of trying to get it to be a bigger issue at the time of their choosing.
They have an agenda, and animals are just being used as pawns to further it.

 

[meriruka]

Settin'_Pretty :

That would depend on your definition of what abuse is I guess.
I hear many say the fishing is abuse to animals
How do you define it?

I define it by what the bible says on the matter, that animals were given to us for our use and benefit and for FOOD, organization and "P", I guess would have you believe packing a mule or hooking a plow to a horse, or eating a chicken is abuse.

I don't agree with socialists trying to get their agenda in by screaming racism or abuse which is how I see this issue in this thread, if they were truly worried about the animals they would have dealt with it the day they saw it instead of trying to get it to be a bigger issue at the time of their choosing.
They have an agenda, and animals are just being used as pawns to further it.

Please do a search on "battery hens" and look at pictures of the conditions the hens live in. These conditions exist to provide the cheapest eggs possible for the population. Does that make it right? I do not believe anything in the bible would support the images you will see.

No one here is trying to infringe on your rights, however your rights are infringed on every day to protect your safety. Drive a car, law says you have to wear a seatbelt. Motorcycle, you have to wear a helmet. There are laws in place so that the people supplying your food can't endanger your health. Animals from factory farms are not as healthy as others due to what they are fed and the crowded conditions they live in. Any thing they do to improve conditions will further ensure your safety when consuming that food. Unfortunately, it will cost more money to do that. But isn't your wellbeing as well as the added bonus of kindness to the animals worth a few more cents?​

 

[GrandPooBa]

here read this

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT...

HUNTING?

by Betty Miller

Proverbs 12:27

"The slothful man roasteth not that which he took in hunting: but the substance of a diligent man is precious."

The book of Proverbs deals with many practical subjects as well as spiritual ones. In this verse we are given advice on hunting. It is not wrong to hunt; however, Proverbs 12:27 says that the man who hunts for game and just kills it, and does not take possession of it for eating is a slothful man. The diligent hunter takes his game for food (roasting) and considers it a precious possession, as he has food for his family's table. Today men are slaughtering animals for wicked reasons. Many elephants and rhinos are killed for their tusks and horns and their bodies are left to rot. Other animals are slain for just the sport of it and their heads and bodies are stuffed to hang on a wall for a trophy of man's prowess, while the meat was discarded. Bulls are slain for men just to watch the sport of bull fighting. Cock fighting is another sport where the cocks are put together to see which one will kill the other. Gambling is usually associated with this sport. We could name other atrocities of killing animals which take place with evil motives. God looks on the heart and motives of men when it comes to how we treat His creatures and we shall be judged for it.

Some people consider killing animals as an evil thing and have become vegetarians because they do not want to kill anything. Certainly, this is a noble thing, however, the Bible does not speak against killing animals for food. It does, however, speak against abusing or mistreating animals. In the beginning when God placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and gave man charge over all the animal kingdom, man was given a fruit, grain and vegetarian diet. All the animals were under man's dominion and Adam was given the task of naming all of them. Although we are not given a detailed account of how the animals responded to Adam it appears they were tame, as they were brought by God before Adam and he named them all.

Hunting and killing animals that are wild and attack men or their domesticated animals is not considered evil either, as David in the Old Testament had to kill a lion and a bear to protect his sheep as a part of his shepherd's duty.

1 Samuel 17:34-35: "And David said unto Saul, Thy servant kept his father's sheep, and there came a lion, and a bear, and took a lamb out of the flock: 35 And I went out after him, and smote him, and delivered it out of his mouth: and when he arose against me, I caught him by his beard, and smote him, and slew him."

The Bible says that in the earliest days of creation, all of God's creation, including animals, were vegetarian. When God blessed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, He said to them: "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be food for you. And to the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food. And it was so" (Genesis 1:29-30).

It appears that all creation was vegetarian until after the waters of the Great Flood receded and Noah and his family were left to replenish the earth.

Genesis 9:1-3 says: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything."

It is interesting to note that because they didn't eat meat, it could have been one of the reasons that Noah was able to so easily gather all the animals into the ark--and explains why the animals did not devour each other while they were in it.

After the flood, why did God now deem it fit for His creation to eat each other? A possible clue that comes to mind is this: Man's wickedness had just reached its fullness, and God had destroyed almost all of the inhabitants of the earth because of it. That flood had somehow changed the order of things--and it was as if Noah and his family were like Adam and Eve, beginning things all over again, but without the innocence of Adam and Eve. The first world, which had been created in perfection, was ruined because of sin. For man to function in the post-flood world, evidently God allowed for the eating meat that would become a part of our existence. The distinguishing mark on this particular era of history would be having to live with the blight of sin.

Because man chose to sin, he lost his proper position of authority over God's creation; he lost it in the Garden of Eden, and then it appears that he lost even more when God decided to flood the world because of man's wickedness. When man lost his original position on the earth, it caused all of creation to lose its proper position as well. And now, everything has been tainted with the perverted character of the Wicked One. Even certain animals must be destroyed at times because demons have entered them. In the Old Testament, when an animal killed someone or was vicious, it was commanded to be destroyed.

Exodus 21:28: "If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit (cleared)."

Today, some ask if it is a sin to eat meat. The Bible makes it clear that we can eat meat, even as Jesus ate meat when He was on the earth. Luke 24:42-43, "And they gave him (Jesus) a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."

In the millenium, when Jesus comes to restore this earth back to His original plan, we will then be able to enjoy the original plans and purposes for this earth. The animals will once again eat grass and not each other. Man will also enjoy the original foods God made for him and since the devil will no longer be present in this earth, all creation will be free from the curse of sin. The wild animals will no longer attack men. The lamb and the lion will lie down together. Man will have no desire to hunt or kill anything. All the earth groans and awaits for that day to come when the devil no longer roams this earth but is chained and cast into hell along with all of his followers.

Isaiah 11:6-9:
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

 

[CarriBrown]

Looks like another reason to raise/grow your own or buy locally!

 

[Nupine]

Whoa! This got heated since I left! Ok, I will just say it. I like the P word, and I don't eat meat, don't really believe in animal testing, hate factory farms, hate slaughter of anything, but that is me and I completly respect everyone else. I am a christain. But I got peed off when my minister said people who believe animal testing is cruel are some of the worst sinners and even compared them with something that will REALLY get this post fired up. Oh, I shouldn't have said that. Shouldn't have said that. Ok, I will restate that. I think animal cruelty is AWFUL, but there are times when it is completly necessary and times when it is anything BUT needed.
My 2 cents
Ashlyn