I am sick and tired of the Little Giant product line. Everytime I find one I like I find that I am usually being taken to the cleaners by either you can't replace a part or it fails because it is too weak to hold up to daily use by my ahem. CHICKENS sheesh. I am looking to the future and to me metallic waterers are just too heavy. I have managed to make some nice feeder troughs using plastic guttering and end caps then putting it on 2x4 pieces cross wise but waterers are just beyond me and I am tired of spending40$ for a waterer and then looking at replacing it because I can't get the 2$ o-ring when it fails. With bigger birds you need large waterers. But I also need something I can manage myself. (My son generally puts them in the pens after I clean them up and fill them.) I am looking for any one and everyone to post what products they use for their birds, on their post so I can look into switching. I am sick of this monetary loss they can kiss my bum forever. Oh their bators suck too. I have a hova... and a sportsman. Be sure to include links if you have them! Arklady loves her sportsman bator.