verm-x experience?

[Sue Gremlin]

From a veterinarian's perspective about Verm-X. I share this perspective. http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2012/01/ve...eal-evidence-to-show-it-is-safe-or-effective/

Fenbendazole (labeled for chickens) is my choice of dewormer for chickens with nematode and tapeworm infections.

Ivermectin (not labeled for chickens) is my alternate choice to control nematode infections and mite infestations.

 

[casportpony]

Fenbendazole (labeled for chickens) is my choice of dewormer for chickens with nematode and tapeworm infections.

Did you know that it's "labeled" use is for treating large roundworms and cecal worms only? To treat the other worms requires a much higher dose. Very confusing.

Ivermectin (not labeled for chickens) is my alternate choice to control nematode infections and mite infestations.

I use it for lice. Because there are so many studies that say it's not a good poultry dewormer I won't use it for worms.

 

[Sue Gremlin]

Did you know that it's "labeled" use is for treating large roundworms and cecal worms only? To treat the other worms requires a much higher dose. Very confusing.


I use it for lice. Because there are so many studies that say it's not a good poultry dewormer I won't use it for worms.

Fenbendazole is labeled for cecal worms, too, at 200 mg/mL in the water. 15-20 mg/kg/bird x 3 days should kill tapeworms, too.

Edit: I should learn to read better. I see you already said cecal worms.

2nd edit: Ivermectin oral/injectable? I think that's pretty cool that it works for lice. I will keep that in mind should I have an issue. One of many reasons I am grateful for this forum. I've learned a ton.

 

[dawg53]

Tapeworms laugh at fenbendazole and unfortunately it appears albendazole is heading that way too. Treating tapeworms with albendazole requires feed withholding times in addition to higher AND frequent dosings to be effective. I've used both wormers against tapeworms and know from personal experience. It is still very effective against all types of roundworms much like fenbendazole and other benzimidazoles with few exceptions. Praziquantel, mostly in the equine paste wormers are the way to go when treating tapeworms... hands down.

I forgot to add that my use of ivermectin stopped a long time ago. Poultry worms have built resistance to the product, most likely due to its overuse as a miteacide in poultry. As a matter of fact, it's noted in Parasitepedia that Northern Fowl mites are showing resistance to ivermectin.

 

[Dandelion111]

I am sincerely sorry for bumping a old thread but after reading this and then the article by the skepvet I was so annoyed I had to reply.

First of all let me address this thread. There were a couple users who stated they had used this product and it worked wonders for them. Had these same users said they user Ivermectin or another chemical dewormer nobody would have questioned them - even though new studies are showing these chemicals are actually creating resistance and super-worms and potentially may be harming our animals. But irregardless nobody would have questioned them at all. But God forbid you say a herbal dewormer worked because that is snake oil BS and we all KNOW that doesn't work!

I love how dawg states unequivocally that it DOES NOT WORK and is WORTHLESS yet he provides no more evidence to this effect. He doesn't even state he has tried it and used it which I am quite confident he has not.

Then I read the skepvet article and yet again I find a person ranting about how it is snake oil but again providing NO EVIDENCE that he is right only a few fallacies and claims to the almighty infallibility of "modern medicine" which I conclude he means chemicals and drugs.

Now let me make it clear I am not bashing "modern medicine" or the use of drugs but why is it when it comes to medicine a product can had numerous side effects, cause numerous problems and have cited examples of ineffectiveness and YET still be the accepted procedure yet we automatically assume all herbal remedies are snake oil? And anyone who uses them with success is either a liar or it is a example of "anecdotes" as this idiot from skepvet says... and Yes I called him a idiot, why? Because a anecdote is a amusing story or unreliable account or hearsay. So he is saying if you believe this product or any herbal product works you are UNRELIABLE and cannot be trusted.

I am so sick of this belittling tactic, this idea that only a chemical produced in a lab could possibly be used. I have never used Verm-x but I do know that many of the ingredients have been used by vets for a very long time VERY EFFECTIVELY. It wasn't until the 80s that we even started using a lot of drugs and meds on our animals. There are several VET books from the early 1900s. In these books (can be searched on Google books) - they would use Cayenne to stop colic and it was very effective.

So I guess my point is, don't say something doesn't work when you have never tried it and have no personal experience or anything to back it up. That is ignorance! And don't accept what somebody says because they are a vet. I have seen vets misdiagnose a number of times, they are no infallible. We need to stop assuming that somebody with a degree is 100% truth and somebody without one is 100% error.

Having said all that many "natural" dewormers do NOT work because they are not well researched. But herbs that have been used for hundreds of years effectively cannot be just swept away by the word of some ignorant person who holds the world captive by a plaque on a wall. I respect drs and vets but not when they act like they know everything and are unwilling to be asked questions or research something out. When I bought my thoroughbred it was extremely restless, very pushy and had some minor gut imbalances. I told the owner I was switching her to organic feed, she said ohh that is stupid you will pay twice as much and they will not have balanced nutrition. Getting her off the GMO feed she immediately calmed down, she was less pushy and her gut issues disappeared completely. Now most people like this skepticvet would say that is absurd and unrelated. Not because of personal experience but because of a bias in their mind, a mental roadblock that prevents them from being honest and logical. Unfortunately much of the world suffers from this, on both sides of the fence.

I am sorry for the long rant. I just have seen too much to accept this kind of behavior. I am sick of hearing and seeing it. I am more than happy to have somebody question anything. Feel free to say hey I don't think that would work or I tried something similar and it didn't work but don't say it is worthless when you DON"T KNOW THAT AS FACT! We need to all be doing our own research and not relying on anyone else for our basis of fact.

For I concur )