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[Al Gerhart]

So, with one plausible vector in your opinion, workers, why the heck are they slaughtering backyard flocks? Is this like the TSA, security theater?

 

[IamRainey]

They’re killing birds so they [assumedly the commercial operations] don’t get the disease.

Yes. This has been the STATED policy of CDFA for some substantial time. They're clear about this. They are compensating anyone whose chickens are taken but they are resolved to proceed in this manner in the larger interest of chicken owners -- of whatever type -- in the rest of non-quarantined CA. That much will not be likely be changing until this thing is over.

Sooner or later you won’t be able to keep chickens in a backyard setting like that for fear of disease.

That much is not clear from anything that's transpired. It may be the sort of hysteria that folks like Kerri Elaine are trying to whip up. But there was a similar quarantine in 2002 that raged, got quelled and was over that did NOT result in anyone's ability to have chickens get limited or removed.

Not dealing with this as mature adults contributing to the effort to stop contageon is, in my opinion, a more likely reason to eliminate the nuisance of backyard hobbyists.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Yes. This has been the STATED policy of CDFA for some substantial time. They're clear about this. They are compensating anyone whose chickens are taken but they are resolved to proceed in this manner in the larger interest of chicken owners -- of whatever type -- in the rest of non-quarantined CA. That much will not be likely be changing until this thing is over.



That much is not clear from anything that's transpired. It may be the sort of hysteria that folks like Kerri Elaine are trying to whip up. But there was a similar quarantine in 2002 that raged, got quelled and was over that did NOT result in anyone's ability to have chickens get limited or removed.

Not dealing with this as mature adults contributing to the effort to stop contageon is, in my opinion, a more likely reason to eliminate the nuisance of backyard hobbyists.

They aren’t killing birds fast enough in any area to make an impact. That would have needed to
Be done immediately instead of waiting on funding. We can disagree that’s fine.

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

I'm one of those dreaded soft-hearted owners of pet chickens. I'm also of the belief that all sentient creatures deserve the right to live. I also live in California (albeit the Northern half of the state). I have tremendous compassion for the chickens, backyard or commercial, and their owners. And I see your point. You might try to see ours. I love my birds, and the main reason I have them is because I am not a fan of animal treatment in many commercial operations. Now I know where my eggs come from, and my chickens have the best possible life I can give them in my semi-rural yard.

I'm also a Libertarian who is currently registered Republican (for access to the vote during Primaries). So there you go. Compassion and conservatism can coexist!

Good point. A lot of people do have chickens as pets or "dual-purpose" pets, and in fact, both law and policy treat them differently despite the benefit to the environment/greater good/what have you.

For instance, I'll cite cats. I personally like cats, but nonetheless, they spread known zoonotic disease such as toxoplasmosis--harmful or fatal neurologically and especially to fetuses--to say nothing of rabies. Cats, feral or not, retain a hunting instinct, and feral/outdoor cats have absolutely decimated shoreline wildlife. A endangered Hawaiian seal at real risk of extinction because people had to have cats, and when they didn't want to, made them feral cats. The situation in many places is that these feral cat ladies (well mostly ladies) literally intimidate their muni governments and shelters. And no one's given any explanation about why all these ferals/outdoors are allowed. If a cat is predating on chickens and keeps coming around, a chicken owner is gonna want to deal with that cat, and some cats are going to disappear, regardless of what the law says, because the law didn't take their interests into account.

This is what I see with the Riverside/sb 6-and-under people talking about putting chickens in their garage. It's like the government over two weeks deciding to kill any cat that's been outdoors/feral and rolling up SWAT on people's houses.

Before that can happen, again, the government needs to implement statutes and regs to lessen it happening, beginning with the largest risk factors for this disease: 1)large rooster flocks; 2)poultry workers.

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

So, with one plausible vector in your opinion, workers, why the heck are they slaughtering backyard flocks? Is this like the TSA, security theater?

Workers are the most plausible way that the virus is getting from backyard flocks into commercial flocks. Most are indoors all their life, and with the government protecting the feelings/marketing of the infected farms, we don't know if they were one of those that let their chickens out.

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

FB took down the video of the guy stomping the chicken.

THIS is what makes people hide. Being not even allowed to form their own opinion. I'd advise people post videos on bitchute as backup.

 

[ButtonquailGirl14]

You're not safe in hot areas whether you free range them or raise them in a hermetically-sealed environment. They're all going to be killed. You have absolutely no control over that.

mine aren't! why do they have to be killed at some point?

Some people like how roosters look, like their personalities, or would rather keep a bachelor flock than kill their extra roos. I know someone online who keeps just a flock of silkie roosters.

From what I'm hearing, there needs to be more regulation and better training on how to humanely kill birds in mandatory cull areas.

I agree.

I'm one of those dreaded soft-hearted owners of pet chickens. I'm also of the belief that all sentient creatures deserve the right to live. I also live in California (albeit the Northern half of the state). I have tremendous compassion for the chickens, backyard or commercial, and their owners. And I see your point. You might try to see ours. I love my birds, and the main reason I have them is because I am not a fan of animal treatment in many commercial operations. Now I know where my eggs come from, and my chickens have the best possible life I can give them in my semi-rural yard.

I'm also a Libertarian who is currently registered Republican (for access to the vote during Primaries). So there you go. Compassion and conservatism can coexist!

I am a soft hearted animal person too. I totally believe in humanely killing for food, actually, I eat chicken often, just not my own. I am also very upset when animals are treated like dead meat before they are butchered! every animal deserves a good life before they die! I am absolutely against cornishx and breeds like that because we literally bred the life out of these poor, sweet birds. and not only that, but it is hurting human health as well! Compassion is a MUST!

Even free range not just an outside run where the wild birds would actually be drawn to. I understand your point but keeping birds totally locked up and not allowed to run around is a much more recent idea for keeping chickens safe regardless of quality of life. To each their own.

my chickens have a great quaility of life! plus they wouldn't have any life if I free ranged them here! so I would say that secure runs are amazing as long as they are big enough!

 

[Aunt Angus]

Not dealing with this as mature adults contributing to the effort to stop contageon is, in my opinion, a more likely reason to eliminate the nuisance of backyard hobbyists.

What?! Euthanize us, too?! Now that's extreme!

JK. I'm being silly. Kinda offended, but I know my opinion isn't valued here.

Wait... Isn't the name of this site "BackYard Chickens?" Huh.

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

What?! Euthanize us, too?! Now that's extreme!

JK. I'm being silly. Kinda offended, but I know my opinion isn't valued here.

Wait... Isn't the name of this site "BackYard Chickens?" Huh.

Well, with 90+ percent of these chickens being "backyard exhibition chickens" I doubt the cdfa/usda is talking about your laying hens since they have a different term "backyard chicken non-commercial egg layers" that's used.

The way I see it, owning a gamecock is sorta like having a pit bull or an AR. If you're dealing with one or two, that's your individual right. Beyond 20, the government needs to keep tabs on you.

 

[Eggscaping]

What?! Euthanize us, too?! Now that's extreme!

JK. I'm being silly. Kinda offended, but I know my opinion isn't valued here.

Not so. I value your opinion - and everyone else's who posts here. It's sort of a given - to me - when I join a "group". You respect the other members. You may disagree with their feelings, but you don't spit on them or demean their opinions. And you are entitled to the same from the other members. No one of us is "king" and we all bring different life-experiences and different ways of feeling and thinking.
My hackles go up when the branding starts: "Liberal, bleeding-heart, tree-hugger", because those terms are intended to poo-poo and make fun of how someone feels, thus reducing the value and importance of someone's feelings on a subject.
I also dislike it when we throw in "Democrats, Republicans, Socialists" and so on. This isn't a political chat-group, it's a chicken chat-group. Politics have other places to go and stand on a soap-box and hold forth. This isn't it. Just MY opinion, of course.