Mama B You've been given very good advice by those two. Those are the sources I'd recommend. So glad you're joining us. What part of the valley are you in? Check out our community page here for names, addresses and phone numbers of local sources. I took some pics this afternoon of my new feeder. I hope to get those posted soon. Also we started work on revamping the run. I got a few pics of those to add as well. I think my crazy plan may work out after all.