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[JennsPeeps]

Let me preface this by saying that I don't yet have an opinion on NAIS. I'll do some reading and decide for myself.

It seems to me that backyard - and even many farmyard - flocks fall under the "not recommended" category (for those animals that would need to be identifyied under the proposal).

From: http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/animal_id/not_need_id.shtml

Animals Not Needing Identification
Animal identification is recommended for animals that move into commerce or marketing channels.

Recommended:

Animals that are moved from their farm, ranch, or boarding facility to locations where they "commingle", or come into contact with, animals from multiple/other locations (Examples include livestock auctions, feedlots, or fairs)

NOT Recommended:

*Animals that never leave their farm, ranch, or boarding facility, even if they move from pasture to pasture within that location

*Animals that never leave their farm, ranch, or boarding facility other than when they "get out"

*Animals that are moved directly from the farm or ranch where they were born to custom slaughter

The way I read this is that if your poultry never left your property, or if you took animals for processing off-site, they would essentially be exempt. I think the reasoning here is that an animal that doesn't enter the public's food chain or come into contact with the public isn't a worry.​

 

[B. Saffles Farms]

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I may go too.

If we start saving up now we could all be there by next year! I'm sure if you tried to tag a chicken there you'd be whacked by a spatula in .05 seconds.

LOL, youre probaly right. Im putting money in my piggy bank now.

 

[pips&peeps]

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If we start saving up now we could all be there by next year! I'm sure if you tried to tag a chicken there you'd be whacked by a spatula in .05 seconds.

LOL, youre probaly right. Im putting money in my piggy bank now.

Can we bring our birds? Is there enough room for us all?

 

[SewingDiva]

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I did.

And found none of the informatuion you cite, which I noticed by the way is unsupported by any attribution other than a very general link at the very bottom.

 

[Cetawin]

pips&peeps :

NAIS is not only a poultry issue.

There are lots of bad things happening in MI or MN can't remember which one, where this voluntary status is mandatory in the cattle industry. I am sorry I cannot remember the specifics; it has been several months since I read the articles.

I also believe in TX it has been proposed or is regulated that you have to fill out a form every time your horse leaves your property. So if you go on a ride or to the vet, a form must be sent in to the appropriate authority within a certain time frame. Maybe someone who owns horses in TX can chime in if they know anything about this.

I think the whole NAIS is a waste of money as the government cannot at this time monitor illegal immigrants, felons or sex offenders with any success. How are they going to monitor the millions of animals in the country.

Also, if they say they want to protect the food chain, I call BS on that. The small farmer is not going to spread disease to hundreds of thousands of people. You need to look at the mass producers for that.

NAIS is a waste of taxpayer money and a means to an end to small farmers and businessmen.

Wisconsin is way up there on the top of the list of states that have mandatory laws... Not sure about MI or MN though.

Some folks in the horse industry love the NAIS...It would irritate the tar out of me to fill out a form everytime I took my horse riding in the mountains or to the beach blah blah.​

 

[B. Saffles Farms]

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The way I read this is that if your poultry never left your property, or if you took animals for processing off-site, they would essentially be exempt. I think the reasoning here is that an animal that doesn't enter the public's food chain or come into contact with the public isn't a worry.

We raise animals that we sell including poultry, goats, beef cattle. And we also have horses that we take on rides, with other horses, and we show horses at horseshows, sometimes these shows are at Fairs. Thats why I am concerned.

 

[FrontPorchIndiana]

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This is supposed to help take an objective look at the proposal? It begins: "THE LATEST TYRANNY: TAGGING TERRORIST CHICKENS"

Sorry, that doesn't help in the least.

That's why I simply ask opponents to point to the actual text of the objectional proposal, not simply their interpretation of it, or their fanciful scenarios of what it might lead to. That is what I require to make up my mind on the subject. You should require no less.

Wayne

Well, I never in a million years thought I would ever say this, but... "I agree with Wayne." One really needs the facts before deciding one way or the other. At this point I don't support or oppose simply because I've never found enough supporting evidence. I'd need a lot of proof one way or the other before signing anything.

 

[JennsPeeps]

Personally I think it's a logistical impossibility to track the animals that people don't want tracked.

Do I want to be able to find out where my tainted hamburger came from so that the conditions that caused the outbreak can be addressed? Yes, this makes sense to me.

Does it make sense to know whose animals were at a fair in case there's a disease outbreak? You decide: http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/558289.html (I was at this fair and saw these animals)

Do I want to track the movement of every trail ride that a horse lover takes, or every chicken, duck, or goose being raised for eggs or meat? No, and it's not required.

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/faq/faq.shtml#commonMyths

For example, the following situations are not applicable to NAIS:

*Livestock that never leave the premises of their birth, even if they move from pasture to pasture within that premises, do not need to be identified
*Animals that never leave their premises other than when they "get out"
*Animals that are only moved directly from their birth premises to custom slaughter
*The participation of animals in local trail rides
*The movement of animals to small local parades or fairs (Many local fairs and similar events may have their own animal identification requirements that are not affected by NAIS. You should check with animal health officials or event organizers for any such existing requirements.)​

 

[pips&peeps]

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Wisconsin is way up there on the top of the list of states that have mandatory laws... Not sure about MI or MN though.

Some folks in the horse industry love the NAIS...It would irritate the tar out of me to fill out a form everytime I took my horse riding in the mountains or to the beach blah blah.

You are right it was WI, I just got my states up there mixed up. There was a problem with deer in the area having that "wasting" disease and that is what caused them to go all gung ho to begin with. But, now, that have not had any cases in years and all cattle have to be ear tagged with some special tag that can be tracked by satellite.....

 

[Cetawin]

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I did.

And found none of the information you cite, which I noticed by the way is unsupported by any attribution other than a very general link at the very bottom.

Try the USDA for starters....they have the ENTIRE proposition and then you can try the federal government's site...you know the ones voting on it...

I charge $ 250.00 an hour but as I am retired...$150.00/hr for legal research. If you would like for me to gather the information for you, I will give you my contact information for payment. I will require three hours paid for in advance.

Or you can research it yourself....thoroughly. If you want the facts go find them. It is no harder than getting through these forms.

I took issue with your constant replies of not being satisfied with any of the responses...the "show me" attitude. If you hate the NAIS posts...do not get involved...very simple. If you doubt or do not agree, post YOUR PROOF of your position.

I am done with it...the NAIS is crap, our government is crap and if you want to jump through their hoops or cannot see the future issues coming from this NAIS stuff....sit it out and wait for the storm.