Waiting for an attack to happen :( dogs

[Sonoran Silkies]

If you live out in the country, chances are that shooting a dog on your property, especially if it is attacking your birds, pets or livestock is legal. If you live in a city or town, there is a very good chance that it is not--that shooting is not legal. The chance of a bullet straying and hitting the toddler across the street or the grandparent mowing the yard next door or...

Check out your state laws on shooting, as well as local laws. Chances are that the state law limits shooting within a certain distance of an occupied building or house, and local laws will deal with shooting within the city/town limits. Know your laws in advance, and learn how to accurately shoot your weapon,as well as properly take care of it.

The fact that a dog matching the description had already killed your rabbit and attacked another dog should have been grounds for citation. And this is in addition to the two previous confrontations. The owner could contest that the dog responsible was his dog in court. A citation is not the same as a verdict. It is not up to the dog control officer to determine that the dog is or is not the guilty dog any more than it is up to any law enforcement officer to determine if a person with an identical description found two blocks away from a crime scene is the bank robber/car-jacker/whatever.

A person who shoots his own dog in that fashion is very scary--he is off balanced and obviously subject to fits of rage--if I had had that experience you can bet I would be filing a restraining order against him to keep him as far from my family and property as legally possible.

 

[StormyMoon]

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Right out in the country is where I am .....they allow it in the city if there is an attack but you have to prove there was an attack. Remember this is Texas and people have the right to bare arms in public as long as it is not concealed. As long as it is registered and you have a license to carry it.
And your right about a person who shoots his own like that .....he once lost a part to his truck when he was working on it, I was out side reading books to my children in the back yard and this man cussed and cussed so loud for almost 2 hours we had to go inside he has a horrible mouth.

 

[Rafter 7 Paint Horses]

Sorry to get off-topic of the original poster...

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No, this is not the law in Texas. This is either a county or city law or the deputy was wrong in saying that.
I just know that it is not a state law.
I don't believe it is a county or city law either. Lawmakers do pass some strange laws, but this is just wrong.

Texas state law is that you can shoot an animal that is harassing, attacking, or worrying your livestock.
You can't shoot a dog for just being on your property, or a person either.

I would find out where that information came from, and document it.
If he told that to the man, then he thinks he has the right to do this. I would be very scared about that.
Kids don't always think before they act, especially if they are young. If one of "their" chickens happen to get on his property, they might just have to "save" it from the neighbor and I shudder to think what might happen. There are these kinds of people all over the world, and I'm sorry you have one next to you.


Jean

 

[Karrie13]

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I agree, any dog no matter the size or breed can attack chickens. I have three dogs; a Rottie, Miniature Schnauzer, and a Corgi. My Rottie and Corgi enjoy going out and doing the chicken chores with me or my kids and neither one of them has ever chased or harmed a bird. On the other hand, when I first had chickens my Mini Schnauzer killed 9 chicks by getting into the room with the chicks (we have since made sure this cant happen again). He also isn’t allowed to run around in the yard to make sure he doesn’t go anywhere near where the girls and boys are.

I totally agree with others on here, if they come back you should have every right to shoot them if they are threatening yourself, family, pets, or livestock. I wouldn’t hesitate at all, you have to protect what is yours.

 

[AllCoop'dUp]

Has anyone with a dog that kills chickens have any luck with muzzling the dog? My Standard Poodle has killed 4 of mine and she is totally obsessed with them. To the point that she will sit motionless by the fence for hours on end for an opportunity for one to get just close enough for her to grab it. Everyone else I know has said that after a couple of times of her being "in trouble" she should get used to them and quit, but I don't believe for a minute she can ever be trusted unleashed or unmuzzled with them. This dog has brought down a small deer and numerous wild turkeys. Doesn't chase the cat unless the cat runs. We all have nightmares of accidently leaving the gate open to the pen. No, I can't get rid of the dog. I've had her since she was a baby and she's nearly 11 years old. I just don't know how to train her to stop killing and even if I got her to the point of leaving them alone while I was in her presence, I'm sure she would kill again as soon as I left.

So...I'm already looking down the road at when I get a new puppy and want to make sure it's a flock guardian. Which are the best for chickens? as opposed to sheep or goats. Thanks.

 

[elmo]

It's not only out in the country. Just this last week an older man out for a morning walk in a residential neighborhood of Dallas was badly mauled by two pit bulls. They managed to knock him down from behind, and one of the dogs bit the man in the face so badly it almost pulled off his lip. Horrifying! They did catch the two dogs, but so far no one is admitting to owning them because they're afraid of the rightful consequences.

Irresponsible pet owners live everywhere, sadly.

 

[StormyMoon]

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No, this is not the law in Texas. This is either a county or city law or the deputy was wrong in saying that.
I just know that it is not a state law.
I don't believe it is a county or city law either. Lawmakers do pass some strange laws, but this is just wrong.

Texas state law is that you can shoot an animal that is harassing, attacking, or worrying your livestock.
You can't shoot a dog for just being on your property, or a person either.

I would find out where that information came from, and document it.
If he told that to the man, then he thinks he has the right to do this. I would be very scared about that.
Kids don't always think before they act, especially if they are young. If one of "their" chickens happen to get on his property, they might just have to "save" it from the neighbor and I shudder to think what might happen. There are these kinds of people all over the world, and I'm sorry you have one next to you.


Jean

I am in the country and not city limits like I said we are in a homestead area in Johnson Co. like I said these people think what the Sheriff has stated is true.
I didn't state that you can shoot anyone though, just that the Sheriff stated that in front of us and the other people.
Its all farm land out here I don't know if that makes a difference. I am going to my library, and court house to print up as many things as I can find on laws so
that if I am ever faced with this situation again I can pull the papers out and point them out to the Sheriff, as well as look for any laws that may protect my live stock on
my land. The purpose of taking shooting lessons is so that I wont have to deal with neighbors any more. Next time I wont write them a letter, and I will not knock on their door.
If its on my property killing then what happens happens. The neighbor claimed he isn't at fault cause his dog got into my yard......then it isnt my fault what happens on my property after this.

 

[noodleroo]

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No, this is not the law in Texas. This is either a county or city law or the deputy was wrong in saying that.
I just know that it is not a state law.
I don't believe it is a county or city law either. Lawmakers do pass some strange laws, but this is just wrong.

Texas state law is that you can shoot an animal that is harassing, attacking, or worrying your livestock.
You can't shoot a dog for just being on your property, or a person either.

I would find out where that information came from, and document it.
If he told that to the man, then he thinks he has the right to do this. I would be very scared about that.
Kids don't always think before they act, especially if they are young. If one of "their" chickens happen to get on his property, they might just have to "save" it from the neighbor and I shudder to think what might happen. There are these kinds of people all over the world, and I'm sorry you have one next to you.
Jean

I think the deputy was CONFUSED about the Texas Penal Code. There is a very strongly worded statute about defending your property. Basically, it says that if it is night time, you can use deadly force to recover your stolen property, and, you can chase someone down that is fleeing with your property and use deadly force to get it back. It is the law but I don't particularly think its a good idea. Here's the code:
SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY
Sec.A9.41.AAPROTECTION OF ONE ’S OWN PROPERTY.A (a)A person
in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is
justified in using force against another when and to the degree the
actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to
prevent or terminate the other ’s trespass on the land or unlawful
interference with the property.
(b)A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible,
movable property by another is justified in using force against the
other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force
is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the
property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit
after the dispossession and:
(1)the actor reasonably believes the other had no
claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2)the other accomplished the dispossession by using
force, threat, or fraud against the actor.

Sec.9.42.AADEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1)if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2)when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A)to prevent the other ’s imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B)to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3)he reasonably believes that:
(A)the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B)the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

 

[bywaterdog]

Two different threads with the same problem, what to do with a chicken killer.


Its O.K. to kill any dogs who attack and/or kill chickens?

A blue eyed kitten that maims/kills chickens should be cherished?

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

AllCoop'dUp :

Has anyone with a dog that kills chickens have any luck with muzzling the dog? My Standard Poodle has killed 4 of mine and she is totally obsessed with them. To the point that she will sit motionless by the fence for hours on end for an opportunity for one to get just close enough for her to grab it. Everyone else I know has said that after a couple of times of her being "in trouble" she should get used to them and quit, but I don't believe for a minute she can ever be trusted unleashed or unmuzzled with them. This dog has brought down a small deer and numerous wild turkeys. Doesn't chase the cat unless the cat runs. We all have nightmares of accidently leaving the gate open to the pen. No, I can't get rid of the dog. I've had her since she was a baby and she's nearly 11 years old. I just don't know how to train her to stop killing and even if I got her to the point of leaving them alone while I was in her presence, I'm sure she would kill again as soon as I left.

So...I'm already looking down the road at when I get a new puppy and want to make sure it's a flock guardian. Which are the best for chickens? as opposed to sheep or goats. Thanks.

A muzzle probably won’t work because she will probably paw them and crush them when trying to bite, even though she won’t be able to bite. Standard size Poodles are a hunting breed. Soooooooo that’s what some of them do.

Believe it or not, a Rottie that is raised “WELL” with children and other animals is a great protector. But you have to understand that are big powerful animals and most “WILL” attack anything they perceive to be a threat to “their” family. Family includes animals under their protection. The breed is an all-around working animal. They do it all, heard, pull and protect.

We have had two. The first one and the one we have now were / are excellent pets. They were / are completely trustworthy around the kids and other pets. However if anything, man or beast, threatens they will attack.

The key to Rotties is getting one that is well bread and raising it in a loving family environment. Contrary to what many believe they are inside / “family” dogs not outside dogs. If left to roam eventually they will become unruly like most dogs will.​