Walking/leg issues. Injury? Merek's?

aliciaFarmer

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For the past couple of days I thought my 10 month old Olive Egger was on the verge of going broody as she was sitting in the nest boxes for longer than usual each day just like all my other broody's have before sticking with it. Last night she roosted on the floor next to a very low roost where some of our month old chicks now sleep. I thought for sure then she was broody.

Fast forward to this morning, she was still sitting in the same spot right next to the food bucket and I decided to move her because that is right in the entryway of the chicken house and not a good place to sit on eggs. When I put her back down, I noticed she wasn't able to stand on her own. I immediately separated her from the flock and put her in a large dog kennel because I'm overly paranoid and although I've never had a sick bird, my mind goes there first every time. She's only been in there about 15 minutes and is in full sight of the rest of the flock -- I just don't want her humped if she has a leg injury or intermingling if it's a communicable disease. I just added bedding and a roost (which is probably just annoying since she can't jump up). She's eating like a champ. I just fed her some plain yogurt and egg yolk with a bit of their normal Scratch and Peck organic feed. They are well fed and I can't imagine there to be any sort of deficiency unless there is another underlying issue. Her belly and crop feel normal, she doesn't have bumblefoot or any visible injury or scab. After watching her for a long time I realized it's just one foot that is causing the problems and she's holding it up. The roosters have been overzealous with her and she has feather loss on her back. I just bought her a chicken apron and am in the process of building a second coop for her and a couple other girls with similar back/feather issues (we have 2 boys and 17 girls, plus 17 babies from 4 days to 5 weeks of age). Their feed is dry and not moldy or expired but they free range every day on our almost 7 acres so it's possible that she could have gotten into any number of things. We don't have any toxins or poisons on our property as far as rat killer or weed killer or anything but we live in Oregon where everything is wet and potentially moldy. Not in their coop but piles of leaves and such. Plus lots of mushrooms (not that I've seen any eat them, but anything is possible at this point). She has been laying normal though taking a longer time the past 2 days but does not seem to be egg bound. She laid a normal egg about 18 hours ago. Vent looks normal though a tad dirty from sitting all night. Tail drooping, but she's not super puffed up. As a flock, egg production has dropped a tiny bit (a dozen eggs a day on average from 15 layers -- 2 of the aforementioned girls are just coming out of a broody phase) but there has been some stress around the flock with a huge snowstorm and tree that fell on their coop with such force the nesting boxes fell, followed by the selling and removal of chickens from the flock three different times, all within the past 6 weeks (sold 14 chickens in 3 batches). Still, those are great laying rates so not bad/enough of a drop to concern me.

I took a video but the site won't upload it because it's too large. I'll see if I can create a YouTube account and I put it there to link it here in a few. (Video added a couple of comments below.)

The reason my mind went to Marek's is because A, I am overly paranoid as I mentioned and B, a few wild birds have flown into the chicken house in the past few weeks which already had me on edge and overzealously watching my girls and boys.

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This photo is pretty pointless but you can kind of see how she's not putting any weight on her left foot (which I didn't notice until now is a tad smaller than the other).

I don't vaccinate my birds but that's a whole separate topic.

I'd love to hear what anyone thinks. If it could be just an injury or if it looks more like a disease. I will try to get that video up next. It's pretty heartbreaking to see her tripping around like that.

Actually, here is the video:

 
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Sounds like it could be an injury since she is holding it up.

Vaccinated birds not welcome here...

Maybe you can feel around for any swelling or heat that indicates an infection? And try to see if she has a pain reaction when you poke and prod, or is it standard don't touch me?

Your scratch & peck organic... Is that pelleted or the pretty stuff? The pretty stuff *can* cause issues with some birds picking out only the ingredient they like the most... leading to POSSIBLE nutrition imbalance or even fatty liver syndrome... most often in birds that are predisposed genetically somehow.

I'm in the PNW here too... with all the wet leaves and such. So I know there COULD be an issue still related... but I have not experienced any in the 4-5 years here so far.

Yes, youtube the video and link it here.

Hope she recovers quickly! :fl
 
Can you hold her up to standing and have someone take a picture? The video posted to YouTube with a link here would be helpful. Since she is holding her leg up, that sounds more like an injury, but I wouldn’t know for sure. Injuries can happen to the hips and thigh, which can be more serious and hard to diagnose. Look for any bumblefoot scabs in her foot, or any swelling or redness in her legs or joints. If she continues to sit and not walk, I would think about making a chicken sling. But if she is able to scoot and get to her food and water, she may not need one. Here is a link with pictures of slings and chick chairs:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/versions-of-chick-chairs-please.1166308/

Many chickens do not tolerate a sling or chair, and will escape or injure themselves trying to get out. They should only be in slings for short periods, with time to stretch, move, and to sleep out of the sling. Food and water can be placed within reach.
 
Sounds like it could be an injury since she is holding it up.

Vaccinated birds not welcome here...

Maybe you can feel around for any swelling or heat that indicates an infection? And try to see if she has a pain reaction when you poke and prod, or is it standard don't touch me?

Your scratch & peck organic... Is that pelleted or the pretty stuff? The pretty stuff *can* cause issues with some birds picking out only the ingredient they like the most... leading to POSSIBLE nutrition imbalance or even fatty liver syndrome... most often in birds that are predisposed genetically somehow.

I'm in the PNW here too... with all the wet leaves and such. So I know there COULD be an issue still related... but I have not experienced any in the 4-5 years here so far.

Yes, youtube the video and link it here.

Hope she recovers quickly! :fl

Thank you so much for your reply. I just uploaded video and added the link. I'll see if I can edit my original post and just put it in there.

I will feel around again. She was fine with me picking her up and didn't seem to have any internal pain as far as abdomen but I didn't spend too much time feeling around her legs and didn't even think about hot spots. Thank you!

It's the pretty Scratch and Peck. I ferment it for them so although it's *possible* she could be picking through it, I don't know if that would be at very easy. When I just gave her food a bit ago, she went at it ravenously like she does every morning. Of course there was egg yolk in it which is everybody's favorite. This was the first time she's had yogurt and seems to be quite in love (a good bit of lactobacillus never hurt anyone so thought I'd try it).
 
I cannot really tell if her leg is injured or more like it is asleep or numb. Is she staying in the dog crate most of the time? If so, I would add some bedding or a piece of plywood, so she can more easily walk or hop around. If she is able to manage staying in the coop, that might be easier in the long run, as long as she is close to food and water. I have been treating a chicken for 2 months with balance issues, and because she was off balance and not able to walk for a month, the others attack her now. It is always best to keep them with the flock, to prevent issues with reintegration later. But if you have to separate her, just keep her near.
 
Can you hold her up to standing and have someone take a picture? The video posted to YouTube with a link here would be helpful. Since she is holding her leg up, that sounds more like an injury, but I wouldn’t know for sure. Injuries can happen to the hips and thigh, which can be more serious and hard to diagnose. Look for any bumblefoot scabs in her foot, or any swelling or redness in her legs or joints. If she continues to sit and not walk, I would think about making a chicken sling. But if she is able to scoot and get to her food and water, she may not need one. Here is a link with pictures of slings and chick chairs:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/versions-of-chick-chairs-please.1166308/

Many chickens do not tolerate a sling or chair, and will escape or injure themselves trying to get out. They should only be in slings for short periods, with time to stretch, move, and to sleep out of the sling. Food and water can be placed within reach.

Those are awesome ideas! I've never seen a chicken sling or chair. If that's what everyone thinks it may be, I'll definitely make her something today.

She definitely doesn't have bumblefoot and doesn't have and scabs, cuts, wounds or abnormality. I just posted the video but if you would like another photo I can do that too if I can get my kiddo to help. She's eating and drinking normally but otherwise just sitting. She'll get up to eat but as you can see in the video, that seems to be problematic for her.
 
I cannot really tell if her leg is injured or more like it is asleep or numb. Is she staying in the dog crate most of the time? If so, I would add some bedding or a piece of plywood, so she can more easily walk or hop around. If she is able to manage staying in the coop, that might be easier in the long run, as long as she is close to food and water. I have been treating a chicken for 2 months with balance issues, and because she was off balance and not able to walk for a month, the others attack her now. It is always best to keep them with the flock, to prevent issues with reintegration later. But if you have to separate her, just keep her near.

I literally put her in there maybe 15 minutes before I took the video. She is right on the other side of the Run where everyone else was hanging out though my chickens free-range so they have to walk right past her to get out. I didn't want her totally separated but just wanted to put her in there to feed her and try to assess what was going on. I definitely won't keep her and it without something cozy for her to be on (straw on one side, wood on the other with food at water, roost added in case she can get up -- that's my normal protocol). The reason I separated her is because I wanted to see if it could potentially be a disease rather than just an injury. Plus I didn't want anybody trying to hump her if her hip or something is hurt.
 
Her leg is definitely not asleep as it's now been a couple of hours and she's still not able to walk on or put any weight on it.
 
I really hope it is not Mareks. I usually don’t like to even mention the possibility, since injuries are much more possible. Sometimes they can get tendon injuries or a leg bone deformity which may have worsened. Time will tell, if she gets better, or gets worse. There are 4 types of Mareks symptoms, and some may only see one type or possibly 2. The most common is the neural form where a leg or wing becomes paralyzed, then the visceral form where tumors develop inside the body, the eye or ocular form, and lastly, the skin or cutaneous form which causes lesions on the skin. Here is some reading about Mareks:
https://extension.umd.edu//sites/ex...Preventing Mareks Disease in Small Flocks.pdf

https://extension.psu.edu/mareks-disease-in-chickens

https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/the-great-big-giant-mareks-disease-faq.66077/
 

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