Well, I certainly didn't intend to get off track with this thread. But in response to chickengeorge, the "Man" is every American who employs an illegal alien to undercut the wages of other Americans. Wages, conditions that were fought for and lives given for. There are a percentage of bums, who have citizenship in any nation across the world. That doesn't justify the opportunistic and lawless behavior of employers using illegal immigrants as livestock, or the Federal government encouraging it so the first party in power who passes amnesty has an increased voter base. I've done labor work all my life, and there is not one contractor I know worth their salt that can beat a bid on contractors who hire illegals, because those contractors pay them less, or pay in cash that doesn't get reported to the IRS. They stay afloat due to good money managing and quality work, but is getting harder for them. That most certainly isn't because too many Americans are "standing around the water cooler".