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On the subject of quarantine --

seems like you have to evaluate your own risk which varies by your temperment & your flock. Say you have top-line show birds - you've bred & shown for a period of time. Is it worth the risk to you that you might lose your finest breeders,or is quarantine for 4 weeks peace of mind.

Or say you have 6 birds, you've hand-raised from chicks, have names & are your pets. What's the risk to losing your pet flock, or would you rather give yourself a little peace of mind by quarantining.

I could guess that the majority of folks who don't quarantine are somewhere between these two extremes, if you will, of chicken keeping. they more easily absorb the loss of a few birds for whatever reason (not talking about being callous - not indicting anyone by any means -- just some folks are more realistic ??? - or pragmatic ??? with their flocks.)

I received a lesson recently - saw a pretty obviously sick bird, at a show, being sold by a 'reputable breeder'. It's cage-mates did not show illness - however, how long would it be until they were also ill? How long is the incubation period for virus in chickens? What if the ill bird had been left home & just the ones who appeared well had been brought to the show? (TY PnP for the discussion - I very much took it to heart)

Also heard on another thread, of someone who had picked up birds for a friend's flock. Quarantined them in the garage - & turned out they came up with pox ??? - not sure what this is, but--- point being she was very glad she'd kept them separate & changed clothes, shoes, tended to them last.

No quarantine is 100% - nothing is predator proof either - we all evaluate our own risk tolerance & do what makes sense for us & ours.

and BTW -- due to the overuse of antibiotics, IMHO, germs out there today are much more virulent & nasty today than they were in 1950. think MRSA and flesh-eating bacteria, resistant strains of TB. Salmonella & ecoli infected meat & produce from those massive factory farms. Not going to keep myself & mine in a plastic bubble, can't grow all my own food -- but think being a little careful about germs makes a whole lotta sense, these days. Asses the risk, act accordingly.

just my 2 cents...
 
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So was I (38 hours, natural home birth)
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HOLY CROW AND A HALF!!!! I'm not even going to mention mine, because y'all would find me and stone me for how short it was. And you had more than one!?! Good Lord Almighty woman!!!
 
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HOLY CROW AND A HALF!!!! I'm not even going to mention mine, because y'all would find me and stone me for how short it was. And you had more than one!?! Good Lord Almighty woman!!!

#1: 36+ hours, naturally in the hospital
#2: 14 hours, naturally at home
#3: (You can imagine why I would have stayed home again after the amazingly short and wonderful birth of #2...oops) 38+ hours naturally at home
 
I GOT FOUR EGGS TODAY!!! WOO WOO!!! And none of them were eaten or even cracked! Apparently my treat of scrambled eggs and BOSS must've pleased them all enough to get to work and leave the products of their labor for me.
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We had 6 kits when I left mama rabbit a little while ago!
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And so far so good, she's being a great mama!
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Except she's totally stepping on that one. Poor little bun...
 
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I GOT FOUR EGGS TODAY!!! WOO WOO!!! And none of them were eaten or even cracked! Apparently my treat of scrambled eggs and BOSS must've pleased them all enough to get to work and leave the products of their labor for me.
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We had 6 kits when I left mama rabbit a little while ago!
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And so far so good, she's being a great mama!
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Except she's totally stepping on that one. Poor little bun...
Toooooooooooo Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute!!!!!!!!
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So was I (38 hours, natural home birth)
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HOLY CROW AND A HALF!!!! I'm not even going to mention mine, because y'all would find me and stone me for how short it was. And you had more than one!?! Good Lord Almighty woman!!!

#1: 36+ hours, naturally in the hospital
#2: 14 hours, naturally at home
#3: (You can imagine why I would have stayed home again after the amazingly short and wonderful birth of #2...oops) 38+ hours naturally at home
I can't even imagine. I would've quit after #1, had mine been 36+ hours! Mine was less than a normal work day, natural, and people are still asking me why I don't want anymore. Well, there's the obvious reason... man?... duh!... And then the not so obvious, that then the pregnancy could be entirely different, what if its a boy (how would I teach him to pee), and then I'd have to start all over! I'm almost halfway to my empty nest of retirement, why on earth would I want to start that again!? Something about 40 and an empty nest is just exciting. My mom says I need to stop planning on being a cougar and try to find a nice man to settle down with.
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I'm going to stick my neck out & say that no one here does think that -- if you read thru Chickielady's full story (not the newspaper article) I think you'd see that she didn't either.

I believe when confronted by sudden, IDK, catastrophies, for lack of a better term. -- we all just react - without thinking. There's no way to really know what you would do in a given situation. It's pretty harsh to judge someone on that. Someone made a comment earlier about fight or flight -- think that's pretty true.

the fact that CL was carrying, gave her some confidence that those of us who don't, don't have or understand. But I KNOW when I'm with my German shephard - I KNOW, I don't fear strangers, or goofballs. Not that he's mean - he's not - but I KNOW he would do anything to protect me. I did confront some wackos in our very rural neighborhood some years ago - they were scared s*** less - when they saw my dog. They asked if he was 'a killer' Told them "if you don't threaten me, he won't threaten you." They'd been casing out some neighbor's houses & left shortly after. I never would have confronted them if I'd been out walking alone.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is we shouldn't judge, we weren't there.
 
oops....  I meant to say "shorten to 1 week" instead of 3-4 weeks.
Here's a question for the more experienced "farmers":   If you're bringing in young birds, say 2 months old, would it be acceptable to shorten their quarantine to [COLOR=B22222]1 week[/COLOR]?  I'm thinking they would be far less likely to have anything catching.  What would you say????

Good question... :) I was hoping not to have to isolate them desperately for too long.... Def 2 wks at least.... And 4 if really necessary, then so be it... ;-)......


Another question to add to the time one.... Can I make quarantine pens 'inside' my large pen... They would be the most secure if I just fenced off an area, and the everyone could get good looks at each other that way.... Or do they need to be in a completely difference space(doable as well, just more of a PITA .....

What I have read on several threads is a minimum of 20' space between flocks and quarantine areas. Less means more chance of airborne diseases spreading. Ideal is inside away from everyone. Also wash hands good between handling the two flocks, to avoid physically transmitted stuff

FYI  I have heard of some diseases that are airborne and can spread up to 1/2 mile away. I don't think that would be very common but just an FYI. 

Also technically for bio-security to work one should do a complete change of clothing and shoes and actually even shower too between different coops.  And don't forget the hat on yer bald head etc.
I don't wear hats, grass don't grow in the shade. Hahaha
 
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I'm going to stick my neck out & say that no one here does think that -- if you read thru Chickielady's full story (not the newspaper article) I think you'd see that she didn't either.

I believe when confronted by sudden, IDK, catastrophies, for lack of a better term. -- we all just react - without thinking. There's no way to really know what you would do in a given situation. It's pretty harsh to judge someone on that. Someone made a comment earlier about fight or flight -- think that's pretty true.

the fact that CL was carrying, gave her some confidence that those of us who don't, don't have or understand. But I KNOW when I'm with my German shephard - I KNOW, I don't fear strangers, or goofballs. Not that he's mean - he's not - but I KNOW he would do anything to protect me. I did confront some wackos in our very rural neighborhood some years ago - they were scared s*** less - when they saw my dog. They asked if he was 'a killer' Told them "if you don't threaten me, he won't threaten you." They'd been casing out some neighbor's houses & left shortly after. I never would have confronted them if I'd been out walking alone.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is we shouldn't judge, we weren't there.

I am all for protecting self, family, friends, and property. If I owned a gun, and my car was driving away from my house I'd be sure to take out at least one tire, while I was calling 911. And if anyone EVER tried to take/hurt my daughter, they better be praying while they do it, my motherly protection instincts are astounding and uncontrollable. No, my daughter will not date until I'm dead, she knows & understands this already.

I might have missed something, but aside from one almost being run over, it didn't sound as though the children were in immediate danger, at least, not anymore than she was.

Chickiemomy - where did you get your GSD from? I am looking for one that isn't $5,000. I plan to train it for personal protection and schutzhund competitive, but holy moly they are expensive even as puppies.
 

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