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[Chicken Rustler]

Chickielady So sorry to hear about yer well trouble. I just have to ask..... did they witch it before deciding where to dig. I know some people don't believe in this but it DOES WORK. I can locate water pipes or electrical lines but haven't done the witching for depth/volume.

For feed storage. Watch your local stores for plastic "rubbermaid" type totes. I know our WalMart tends to do close out on them certain times. I have got some nice big ones for $2-$4 each. We also got a nice big "garden storage bin" for $10. I can put 4 50# bags of feed in it and could get more if I dumped the feed out of the bags.

 

[DIYSeattle]

A good population control is war. There were many people that worked on population control. Stalin, Mao, and Hitler killed as many as 130 million people. There are countless others recently that practiced genocide. I am not a supporter of genocide.

 

[pongoid]

Hello fellow Washingtonians.

If anyone has some old cloth tarps that they are willing to give away please let me know. They don't have to be hole free or even rip free, as long as they are mostly whole pieces rather than little scraps.

I was also told that sign companies give away the canvases that they use for the signs along the side of the road, so if you know someone in that business let me know via private message.

Thanks

Last request....thanks for being patient with me.

 

[Chickielady]

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Famine and disease will step in as population grows and we are too close together, and living with our own filth, a good example is a broiler meat chicken facility.

 

[Chickielady]

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I witched Gary's hand dug well, and so did my Dad...and then I witched the first well we dug too, which also hit water at 2 or 3 feet.
it is 30 feet deep.
We hit gravel and could go no further.
We just told all this to the drill boss, we looked at the tailings we still have on the ground, and he drew a straight line from our first witched well, to the second and he said "There is an ancient glatial gravel bed here running with water (He is Einstien !!!) so he is going to come dig out Gary's well, that we witched, and install a vault system to increase the surface area and we should have tons of water.
For a way reduced cost, free pump and all.
Yes, I witched it and Dad.
Their well that was dry we did not witch, and when I and Dad were walking around with our sticks witching, we never got a twing there by their well.
So yes, it does work...what Dad and I was feeling was the underground gravel bed running with water.
Dad using first alder and then vine maple stick, I use copper wires.
It's weird how they pull and twist, Dad said his stick will pull straight down at water, so hard, that it twists the bark off in his fingers.
Gotta go shop and get stuff for the trip...so will log on later and catch up !
Rustler if you are still wanting T's, you better call DH, he is leaving in the morning.

 

[Chickielady]

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I drove up here last year in a minivan from Lake County CA, with 3 adult rabbits in small dog crates, a big adult labrador, and 10 hens in 3 double decker big dog crates, pulling a little trailer with hutches and feed and my tent and sleeping bags, camping gear, cookstove, propane bottle and some food.
Funny when we stopped in Oregon for gas they will not let you pump it, so while there, the kid was filling our tank when 2 of my hens went into the joyuos "Imgonnalayaegg" song and the entire gas station stopped and cocked it's collective ears...I laughed and pretended it was not us.
No one could figure out where the chicken cackling was coming from

!!!!!
Even funnier was after we arrived, I moved the big dog crates outside, but the slider doors on the van wer open.
I let the girls out, and when it got dark I expected them to crate up...but it was not to be !
I soon discovered all 10 roosting in the back of the van ! Hard to get them out!!
It went on for a few days til we had the first rough coop built...so funny !
They walked around and around trying to get in the van...

and welcome to Washington !!
What part of Ca are you escaping from ?

 

[Rainwolf]

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Welcome! when you get settled in I'm sure we can find some chickens for you. Many of us hatch babies, have pullets, or sell hatching eggs.

 

[ultasol]

Where to get chickens in WA depends on what kind you want. There are some great poultry shows here, in both the fall and the spring Chehalis and Stevenson have shows, and these are a great place to buy well started or adult birds of good quality for reasonable prices.

 

[Rainwolf]

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Depends on where from Cal,

Just need a warm coop thats predator proof, most common predator is raccoon and opossum and hawks/eagles in the north Seattle area.
But depending on where you live you might have coyotes, bears, fishers, etc.

 

[Tailfeathers]

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The Animal Rights and Earth First activists have been touting these false fears since the 60's. I once read several years ago that if you rounded up every single person on the whole earth, you could put them all in the state of Utah and have room left over. So much for overpopulation.

As for running out of water, I recruit Civil Engineers and we are nowhere close to running out of water. Moreover, we probably have more water than we did a hundred years ago. Does anyone remember all the glaciers that are melting? And the oceans are supposedly rising? And not only is there probably more water in general but there is a whole lot more clean, drinkable water on the earth now than there ever has been. Oh, and that would be thanks to man and the wisdom that God gave him. People are living a much healthier and longer life in many areas of this world that they ever did before because they now have the ability to possess clean water.

I used to be very heavily involved in the Environmental Movement. After years and years of reading the stuff that many of those organizations were spouting, I began to see more and more inconsistencies and contradictions in the arguments and logic. If one chooses to look into it as well and really study what they claim, I think they will too.

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Are you going to volunteer to be first? Who is?

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Number 1) Says who? On what authority do you make this claim?
Number 2) Animals never have nor should they ever have equal rights with human beings. There is even an attempt underway at this very time for animals to be given legal rights and lawyers who are lining up to defend them. God help us all when that happens.
Number 3) Animals, plants, insects, you-name-it have been going extinct since the beginning of time. They always have. They always will.
Number 4) It is not selfishness to put human beings ahead of animals. If that means "wiping them off the planet" in order to sustain human life, then that's the way it is. Humans MUST be the priority. And for anyone to make the claim otherwise is just flat outright hypocrisy. Every time you eat an egg, you kill a potential chicken (or duck or goose or what-have-you). Does no one on here eat chicken? Each and every one of us humans have a better life because we use animals in one form or another. It is NOT selfishness to put humans first. It is simply following the natural order for which life was intended to be.
Number 5) There is a book that I read that makes the claim to be the final authority and I believe it is. That book makes the claim that there is a God who is in control and that man is not. Personally, I think if one thinks that humans can actually control this earth and what happens on it, well that's just laughable. Everything on this earth is far too complex for man to ever be in control - though many think they can be.

The Bible is clear, Genesis 1:26-30 says, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so." The emphasis in both is mine of course.

And that makes it about as clear as it can get. There is ONLY one creation made in the image and likeness of God and that is man. No animal ever was or ever will be equal to man. One can choose to disregard the "authority" which I use but at least I have one. It is not my own. It is not my "brain" or lack thereof on which I rely. In fact, I am saying that I choose to accept an "authority" which is far and above over any intelligence that any man could ever have.

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Not only was it not necessary but I've never met a parent or a couple yet that sat down and said, "You know dear, I need a kid to mow the lawn, and one to do the dishes, and one to feed the chickens, and one to clean the house, and one to plow the field, etc. etc." I mean who did that? Who does that? You'd have to be awful self-centered to be thinking ahead like that.

No, rather I believe "Happy is the man whose quiver is full of arrows."

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Again... Says who? On what authority do you make this claim? Define "overbreed". Define "rape". But before you do, you better be able to back it up because I can guarantee you that your definition can be taken to an even greater extreme by somebody. By some "man" who thinks his or her definition of a "right" is more accurate and better than yours. And who says animals have rights?????????? What rights? To what extent? Who decides that??? Oh yeah, the lawyers that are lining up to defend those rights. Now I remember. Give me a break! People are you ready for that???????????

Animals do not have rights. Mankind has a responsibility to manage animals in manner that reflects good stewardship. The idea that animals could even have rights came out of the mentality that animals are somehow equal to man. That is a lie. And I personally believe it is a lie that came from decades of promoting another lie which claims that we are nothing more than a by-product of monkeys and ultimately some Amoeba or something that splashed up onto the earth. There is a very real distinction between man and animals. Mankind has rights and as our Declaration of Independence claims, those rights are inalienable and given by God. Animals have no such thing. Man simply has the very real and serious responsibility of being a good steward of those animals for which he or she is entrusted with.

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Again... Says who? On what authority do you make this claim? I just stated my authority for the opposite above. If we are not hear to rule over and use, then who or what is? Do you really expect to have some lawyer come in an argue that you have no right to eat an egg because you are supposedly killing the innocent life and procreation of the chicken who laid it?

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Again, do you volunteer to go first? Anyone else on here volunteer to go first so that some dog, cat, or chicken can live a little longer?

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Rant, yes. Inconvenient, yes. Truth, not even close. For it to be Truth it would have to be arguably supported, logical, and assume at least some measure of a "reasonable man's theory". All one has to do is look at the rhetorical questions I've posed to see that this kind of "truth" has more holes that Swiss Cheese.

Finally, it is this kind of discussion that is really a good thing to have and it is related to poultry if one thinks about it. I assume everyone on here either at least has chickens or has a keen interest in them since they are coming to BYC. Chickens are a part of our everyday life but they fit WITHIN our overall world view. Several times it has been stated that "man has no right". And it's been stated that we are not here to "rule over and use". And I ask, can any of us really say with any degree of intellectual honesty that we don't "rule over and use"? We all do and there is simply no way of getting around that. So it is not a matter of "if" we do but rather "how" and more importantly "WHO" gets to decide. As for me an my house, I choose to put my trust in those who believe that man is vastly different than animals and NOT on equal par. I do NOT want some person making the rules who believes that a chicken, duck, monkey, dog, cat, cow, you-name-it animal has the same rights as I do. Do you?

So we all must decide, do we put our trust in mankind or in God who knows all, sees all, and is all. His Book says, "There is a way that seems right unto a man and that way leads to death" and "thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools." Given what I've seen man do and call intelligent, personally it's really easy for me to go with the latter.

God Bless,