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[justbugged]

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Thanks for the detailed discription, that will help alot when I finally get to it... Ugg I need a second me... I have WAY to much going on for me alone to handle.

The two foster mares were supposed to be picked up and moved on friday, but alas they are still here. Wich is not good seeing as I only have 1 days worth of feed left for them...

1 month... Yeah right. I have a feeling that these are no longer foster mares, and that I need to figure out what to do with them now... The lady that ran the rescue, has given up on finding these two mares a home. And she refuses to have them put down, also she will not return or answer my phone calls... I'm in a tough spot with these two, and am having to think about making a very tough desicion. Under NO circumstances will I EVER send a horse to an auction. At this point in time a well placed bullet would be better.

I can not winter these mares. I have two personal horses already, and these two mares with their $200 in supplements a month will burry me in debt...

Anyone have any sudjestions that might help me out? What do I do?

I am so sorry that this situation has come back to bite you. I had wondered about it. I had seen that on more than one occasion that the rescue had been featured on the television news. I had gotten the impression that the woman that was in charge of the rescue was in over her head, and was not always good with pre-planning for the rescue's on going financial needs. I felt that her heart was more than in the right place, but she had the feeling that nobody could care for the animals like she could. She also had taken on more than she could afford, and was very good at burying her head in the sand when it came down to the actual costs of running the type of rescue that she had envisioned.

I truly admire you Cheryl for all the blood sweat, and tears, that you have put into the past 6 weeks or so, with helping the rescue vacate in property. It is so hard to have to prioritize your own critter family over that of any other animals that come into your care. Sometimes the greatest gift we give animals is that of letting them go. If the rescue horses need expensive supplements to maintain a small degree of health, then it may be time to let them go humanely. I am often astonished at what some people will spend on a sick and dying animal, all the while there are healthy young animals in need of a home. I can understand wanting to give the sick and elderly animals a home too, but not when it will kill more than several healthy animals that could have been saved for the same money.

I hope you find a speedy resolution to the problem.

 

[justbugged]

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Someone had a thread about importing Blue? Orpingtons from England. I want to say that they got permits to have eggs shipped over from England. I do know that it wasn't cheap. If I remember right they had to have a Vet certify the farm and eggs in England and then I think that they had to pay for Vets to meet the eggs at customs here, and all of that has to done with in the rather small window of the eggs viability. I am sure that you can do a search here on BYC for more information.

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

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Thanks for the detailed discription, that will help alot when I finally get to it... Ugg I need a second me... I have WAY to much going on for me alone to handle.

The two foster mares were supposed to be picked up and moved on friday, but alas they are still here. Wich is not good seeing as I only have 1 days worth of feed left for them...

1 month... Yeah right. I have a feeling that these are no longer foster mares, and that I need to figure out what to do with them now... The lady that ran the rescue, has given up on finding these two mares a home. And she refuses to have them put down, also she will not return or answer my phone calls... I'm in a tough spot with these two, and am having to think about making a very tough desicion. Under NO circumstances will I EVER send a horse to an auction. At this point in time a well placed bullet would be better.

I can not winter these mares. I have two personal horses already, and these two mares with their $200 in supplements a month will burry me in debt...

Anyone have any sudjestions that might help me out? What do I do?

I am so sorry that this situation has come back to bite you. I had wondered about it. I had seen that on more than one occasion that the rescue had been featured on the television news. I had gotten the impression that the woman that was in charge of the rescue was in over her head, and was not always good with pre-planning for the rescue's on going financial needs. I felt that her heart was more than in the right place, but she had the feeling that nobody could care for the animals like she could. She also had taken on more than she could afford, and was very good at burying her head in the sand when it came down to the actual costs of running the type of rescue that she had envisioned.

I truly admire you Cheryl for all the blood sweat, and tears, that you have put into the past 6 weeks or so, with helping the rescue vacate in property. It is so hard to have to prioritize your own critter family over that of any other animals that come into your care. Sometimes the greatest gift we give animals is that of letting them go. If the rescue horses need expensive supplements to maintain a small degree of health, then it may be time to let them go humanely. I am often astonished at what some people will spend on a sick and dying animal, all the while there are healthy young animals in need of a home. I can understand wanting to give the sick and elderly animals a home too, but not when it will kill more than several healthy animals that could have been saved for the same money.

I hope you find a speedy resolution to the problem.

I have a sick chicken that I am still nursing along....I know I have spent a couple hundred dollars on her. You are right, this is a bit nuts. But I have this exact same question regarding people and having kids.

My soap box: If a person cannot physically have kids, it amazes me the amount of money a person will spend to be able to physically birthing a child....when there are so many kids in need. Please note I am not making a judgment call. I just wish people would give a second look at adopting - ocasionally. Just because I do not have DNA walking around does not mean I am a mom....my kids were all 3 adopted through the foster care system. They are all siblings. No it has not been easy...but for me this was the right decision instead of pursuing IVF. NO ONE can tell me that I am not a mom and NO ONE can tell me these are not my "real" kids. There is no possible way to love them anymore, even if I had given birth. Sorry, this is my soap box. PLEASE, if you know someone going through infertility try to at least get them to look into options of adoption. It is so worth it.

Okay, that is WAY OFF BASE from what your subject was about, but it is funny where we all decide to spend our dollar. Right now I have a chicken who is hanging in there and has not given up yet, so I have not given up on her. We all agree she will probably die....but, each day she is actually seeming a bit better. I dunno, I guess it is a personal decision on where we all want to spend our money.

 

[cheryl98117]

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Thanks for the detailed discription, that will help alot when I finally get to it... Ugg I need a second me... I have WAY to much going on for me alone to handle.

The two foster mares were supposed to be picked up and moved on friday, but alas they are still here. Wich is not good seeing as I only have 1 days worth of feed left for them...

1 month... Yeah right. I have a feeling that these are no longer foster mares, and that I need to figure out what to do with them now... The lady that ran the rescue, has given up on finding these two mares a home. And she refuses to have them put down, also she will not return or answer my phone calls... I'm in a tough spot with these two, and am having to think about making a very tough desicion. Under NO circumstances will I EVER send a horse to an auction. At this point in time a well placed bullet would be better.

I can not winter these mares. I have two personal horses already, and these two mares with their $200 in supplements a month will burry me in debt...

Anyone have any sudjestions that might help me out? What do I do?

So sorry for you !
I guess the only thing you can do is try to find someone to pasture them where at least they will have grass to eat.
I would move them to a pasture on a big farm or such (ask around) then in writting with witnesses, leave a note taped to her front door, or ask a police officer to do it so it is recorded that you did notify her.
That is all.
I would, of course tell the farmer that the woman is coming to get the horses and give him her number.
What else can you do ?
I hate it when people deliberately take advantage of someone's kindness like this, but at least in a big pasture the horses will have feed...and you will not have to feed them nor be responsible for them.
Go visit them...report to authorities if the owner still has not claimed them...

Its not the daily feed that I can't afford, its the $200+ a month maintenence supplements that keep these two alive that I can't afford. The county sheriff says because I took them in, they are my responsibility now... Even without paperwork stating so... I did make a call to the Olympic game farm, and IF I bring them up there, they will take them off my hands as feed for the bears and big cats that they have... So I think what I will do is give her notice via cell mesage, telling her she has no more than 2 weeks to iether come get them, or find them a home... And if she doesnt respond to that, then away they will go to be lion, cougar, bear, ect food... It sounds heartless, and cruel. BUT every rescue is full, or are only taking in horses that can be useful again. Ive been told by many rescues that the nicest gentlest thing to do is to put them down. Because lets face it... These two will NEVER be usefull, and have been on borrowed time for the past 7 years of their lives... Juliet is 35 years old, and one daily supplement costs $10.00 a day, and thats just ONE of the supplements. So 10 x will say 29 days, would come out to YIKES!!! $280 a month for just the one oral supplement that keeps Juliett from going down... Again that is just ONE suplement for one horse. Thats not counting the E-500 that costs $120.00 a month, or the melenium gold, or the Forco, or the chaseberry, or the senior flex... There are a few other supplements that I am not listing. And all that is mandatory to keep these two old girls alive, along with the normal grass hay and senior grain...

I couldn't have passing these two along to someone else on my concience... It would eat me up. I guess I am just TOO honest.

And I also know that this could very well end my equine career. Its a scary thought, as all I have EVER wanted to do in my life is work in the equine industry...

But however, there is not a soul on this earth who can lable me as a horse dumper or abuser. I also know that my desicion will make a few people second guess just how good of a person I really am.

My family asked why I don't just send them to auction, "as that is my legal right to do." That is just not a possibility for me. I know that these two horses would wind up headed to slaughter, and niether of them would servive the trip. And unfortunately I do not have the $400 it would cost to have the euthinised, let along the extra grand to have them disposed of...

I never thought I would have to make this desicion. And even though these two have had a good past 7 years, its still hard.

Ok I have to stop thinking about this, its eating me up...

 

[cheryl98117]

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Thanks for the detailed discription, that will help alot when I finally get to it... Ugg I need a second me... I have WAY to much going on for me alone to handle.

The two foster mares were supposed to be picked up and moved on friday, but alas they are still here. Wich is not good seeing as I only have 1 days worth of feed left for them...

1 month... Yeah right. I have a feeling that these are no longer foster mares, and that I need to figure out what to do with them now... The lady that ran the rescue, has given up on finding these two mares a home. And she refuses to have them put down, also she will not return or answer my phone calls... I'm in a tough spot with these two, and am having to think about making a very tough desicion. Under NO circumstances will I EVER send a horse to an auction. At this point in time a well placed bullet would be better.

I can not winter these mares. I have two personal horses already, and these two mares with their $200 in supplements a month will burry me in debt...

Anyone have any sudjestions that might help me out? What do I do?

I am so sorry that this situation has come back to bite you. I had wondered about it. I had seen that on more than one occasion that the rescue had been featured on the television news. I had gotten the impression that the woman that was in charge of the rescue was in over her head, and was not always good with pre-planning for the rescue's on going financial needs. I felt that her heart was more than in the right place, but she had the feeling that nobody could care for the animals like she could. She also had taken on more than she could afford, and was very good at burying her head in the sand when it came down to the actual costs of running the type of rescue that she had envisioned.

I truly admire you Cheryl for all the blood sweat, and tears, that you have put into the past 6 weeks or so, with helping the rescue vacate in property. It is so hard to have to prioritize your own critter family over that of any other animals that come into your care. Sometimes the greatest gift we give animals is that of letting them go. If the rescue horses need expensive supplements to maintain a small degree of health, then it may be time to let them go humanely. I am often astonished at what some people will spend on a sick and dying animal, all the while there are healthy young animals in need of a home. I can understand wanting to give the sick and elderly animals a home too, but not when it will kill more than several healthy animals that could have been saved for the same money.

I hope you find a speedy resolution to the problem.

Thank you Justbugged, you just made me cry, and feel better at the same time. I just hope others are as understanding.

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

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So sorry for you !
I guess the only thing you can do is try to find someone to pasture them where at least they will have grass to eat.
I would move them to a pasture on a big farm or such (ask around) then in writting with witnesses, leave a note taped to her front door, or ask a police officer to do it so it is recorded that you did notify her.
That is all.
I would, of course tell the farmer that the woman is coming to get the horses and give him her number.
What else can you do ?
I hate it when people deliberately take advantage of someone's kindness like this, but at least in a big pasture the horses will have feed...and you will not have to feed them nor be responsible for them.
Go visit them...report to authorities if the owner still has not claimed them...

Its not the daily feed that I can't afford, its the $200+ a month maintenence supplements that keep these two alive that I can't afford. The county sheriff says because I took them in, they are my responsibility now... Even without paperwork stating so... I did make a call to the Olympic game farm, and IF I bring them up there, they will take them off my hands as feed for the bears and big cats that they have... So I think what I will do is give her notice via cell mesage, telling her she has no more than 2 weeks to iether come get them, or find them a home... And if she doesnt respond to that, then away they will go to be lion, cougar, bear, ect food... It sounds heartless, and cruel. BUT every rescue is full, or are only taking in horses that can be useful again. Ive been told by many rescues that the nicest gentlest thing to do is to put them down. Because lets face it... These two will NEVER be usefull, and have been on borrowed time for the past 7 years of their lives... Juliet is 35 years old, and one daily supplement costs $10.00 a day, and thats just ONE of the supplements. So 10 x will say 29 days, would come out to YIKES!!! $280 a month for just the one oral supplement that keeps Juliett from going down... Again that is just ONE suplement for one horse. Thats not counting the E-500 that costs $120.00 a month, or the melenium gold, or the Forco, or the chaseberry, or the senior flex... There are a few other supplements that I am not listing. And all that is mandatory to keep these two old girls alive, along with the normal grass hay and senior grain...

I couldn't have passing these two along to someone else on my concience... It would eat me up. I guess I am just TOO honest.

And I also know that this could very well end my equine career. Its a scary thought, as all I have EVER wanted to do in my life is work in the equine industry...

But however, there is not a soul on this earth who can lable me as a horse dumper or abuser. I also know that my desicion will make a few people second guess just how good of a person I really am.

My family asked why I don't just send them to auction, "as that is my legal right to do." That is just not a possibility for me. I know that these two horses would wind up headed to slaughter, and niether of them would servive the trip. And unfortunately I do not have the $400 it would cost to have the euthinised, let along the extra grand to have them disposed of...

I never thought I would have to make this desicion. And even though these two have had a good past 7 years, its still hard.

Ok I have to stop thinking about this, its eating me up...

I do not think you are being cruel to send them off for food....I am assuming that they will first euthanize them humanely - some way...Not just let a bear have its way with them.

Also, I am not sure of all the rules....I don't think it is as simple as just digging a hole and burying them, anymore. Can you still do this? I also think that the slaughter auctions have stopped - for horse meat. I was under this impression, that you could not longer do this with horses, as this is what I have been told for around here.

 

[cheryl98117]

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Its not the daily feed that I can't afford, its the $200+ a month maintenence supplements that keep these two alive that I can't afford. The county sheriff says because I took them in, they are my responsibility now... Even without paperwork stating so... I did make a call to the Olympic game farm, and IF I bring them up there, they will take them off my hands as feed for the bears and big cats that they have... So I think what I will do is give her notice via cell mesage, telling her she has no more than 2 weeks to iether come get them, or find them a home... And if she doesnt respond to that, then away they will go to be lion, cougar, bear, ect food... It sounds heartless, and cruel. BUT every rescue is full, or are only taking in horses that can be useful again. Ive been told by many rescues that the nicest gentlest thing to do is to put them down. Because lets face it... These two will NEVER be usefull, and have been on borrowed time for the past 7 years of their lives... Juliet is 35 years old, and one daily supplement costs $10.00 a day, and thats just ONE of the supplements. So 10 x will say 29 days, would come out to YIKES!!! $280 a month for just the one oral supplement that keeps Juliett from going down... Again that is just ONE suplement for one horse. Thats not counting the E-500 that costs $120.00 a month, or the melenium gold, or the Forco, or the chaseberry, or the senior flex... There are a few other supplements that I am not listing. And all that is mandatory to keep these two old girls alive, along with the normal grass hay and senior grain...

I couldn't have passing these two along to someone else on my concience... It would eat me up. I guess I am just TOO honest.

And I also know that this could very well end my equine career. Its a scary thought, as all I have EVER wanted to do in my life is work in the equine industry...

But however, there is not a soul on this earth who can lable me as a horse dumper or abuser. I also know that my desicion will make a few people second guess just how good of a person I really am.

My family asked why I don't just send them to auction, "as that is my legal right to do." That is just not a possibility for me. I know that these two horses would wind up headed to slaughter, and niether of them would servive the trip. And unfortunately I do not have the $400 it would cost to have the euthinised, let along the extra grand to have them disposed of...

I never thought I would have to make this desicion. And even though these two have had a good past 7 years, its still hard.

Ok I have to stop thinking about this, its eating me up...

I do not think you are being cruel to send them off for food....I am assuming that they will first euthanize them humanely - some way...Not just let a bear have its way with them.

Also, I am not sure of all the rules....I don't think it is as simple as just digging a hole and burying them, anymore. Can you still do this? I also think that the slaughter auctions have stopped - for horse meat. I was under this impression, that you could not longer do this with horses, as this is what I have been told for around here.

You are correct that horse slaughter in the US is illegal... But the sale of horses for meat is still legal... The enumclaw sales pavilion / auction is the number one place in washington to send slaughter bound horses... They hold the horses there on site until the next truck to mexico comes in... Mexico and Canada, it is still legal to slaughter horses for consumption. So horses are sold in the states, and then transported to Canada and Mexico via double decker cattle trucks...

As for euthenising and burying on site... It all depends on where you live. I am not allowed to euth and burry here, as there are to many wells within 200 feet of my property... BUT if you had land large enough, that you can be far enough away from any well... You can burry any livestock. I think the minimun depth is 12 feet for large animals. We always made the holes 18' and deeper... Then again, we have only burried 1 horse.

Yes the horses would be "put down" first, but not with drugs, they would be properly shot, by an experienced handler...

 

[Illia]

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Because they're so highly popular and iconized as pets. In other countries it is okay, but here - They're like dogs.

Honestly I find nothing wrong with putting horses in slaughterhouses. They are certainly no better or more intelligent than cattle and pigs.

 

[Illia]

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There's breeds with dun coloring. (looks like chocolate, called chocolate, but is genetically entirely different and infact works like BBS)

Those include Polish, Seramas, and a few others I can't currently think of.

Barnesvelder, Buckeyes ?

Buckeyes are red like a Rhode Island Red. Barnevelders are doublaced partridge, similar to "pencilled" Wyandottes and Rocks, but in a much more defined way.

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

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I am unsure as to why it is illegal any more....my mother (who was very, very poor) as a child was raised on horse meat. I don't think I could eat it, but I have never had to either.