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Because they're so highly popular and iconized as pets. In other countries it is okay, but here - They're like dogs.
Honestly I find nothing wrong with putting horses in slaughterhouses. They are certainly no better or more intelligent than cattle and pigs.
It is more than likely far more humane to do so than to let them starve, or in this case, go without medication, and in this advanced stage of age.
These mares are like 70 year old humans, with all the aches and pains the same.
Because they're so highly popular and iconized as pets. In other countries it is okay, but here - They're like dogs.
Honestly I find nothing wrong with putting horses in slaughterhouses. They are certainly no better or more intelligent than cattle and pigs.
It is more than likely far more humane to do so than to let them starve, or in this case, go without medication, and in this advanced stage of age.
These mares are like 70 year old humans, with all the aches and pains the same.
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Because they're so highly popular and iconized as pets. In other countries it is okay, but here - They're like dogs.
Honestly I find nothing wrong with putting horses in slaughterhouses. They are certainly no better or more intelligent than cattle and pigs.
It is more than likely far more humane to do so than to let them starve, or in this case, go without medication, and in this advanced stage of age.
These mares are like 70 year old humans, with all the aches and pains the same.
Unfortunately, the process to get TO the slaughter house can be pretty awful. When we had to have one of our horses put down, we drove it straight to the slaughter house. And actually, pigs are pretty intelligent...similar to dogs. Well, I think that they are smarter than my dogs at least.
Because they're so highly popular and iconized as pets. In other countries it is okay, but here - They're like dogs.
Honestly I find nothing wrong with putting horses in slaughterhouses. They are certainly no better or more intelligent than cattle and pigs.
It is more than likely far more humane to do so than to let them starve, or in this case, go without medication, and in this advanced stage of age.
These mares are like 70 year old humans, with all the aches and pains the same.
Unfortunately, the process to get TO the slaughter house can be pretty awful. When we had to have one of our horses put down, we drove it straight to the slaughter house. And actually, pigs are pretty intelligent...similar to dogs. Well, I think that they are smarter than my dogs at least.
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It's more because of how it is done than anything else. Horses are transported in double decker cattle trucks, then shot with a captive bolt. The captive bolt is meant for BOVINES not equines. So what will instantly kill a cow, will only stun a horse. Then they are bled out alive, hung by the back legs. So it is an inhumane end. Then there is the fact that the horse slaughter industry can not be completely regulated... Horses that have been on medications, wormed, supplemented are NOT fit for human consumption. And there is no way to tell a horse that has had these treatments, apposed to one who has not. Other than taking the word of the seller... And that just isn't always reliable...
The only reason I am apposed to horse slaughter, is because of the way it is done. If they would change the way that the horses are transported, and dispatched, there would be very few people against it. If they could change the captive bolt, wich is meant for cattle and NOT horses, to something that would instantly kill. It wouldn't be such a horible end. The double decker trailors, are not meant for an animal taller than a cow. Lots of horses get shoved into these trailers, some go down, wind up with broken unatended legs. These horses are then drug out by chains via tractor, and forced into the chutes. They have no access to water... They can't lift their heads above their chests... Now if they change these trailers to something that a horse will FIT INTO, where they wont be trampled, can lift there head to a natural position, ect... Then I would have absolutely NO issues with horse slaughter.
It's more because of how it is done than anything else. Horses are transported in double decker cattle trucks, then shot with a captive bolt. The captive bolt is meant for BOVINES not equines. So what will instantly kill a cow, will only stun a horse. Then they are bled out alive, hung by the back legs. So it is an inhumane end. Then there is the fact that the horse slaughter industry can not be completely regulated... Horses that have been on medications, wormed, supplemented are NOT fit for human consumption. And there is no way to tell a horse that has had these treatments, apposed to one who has not. Other than taking the word of the seller... And that just isn't always reliable...
The only reason I am apposed to horse slaughter, is because of the way it is done. If they would change the way that the horses are transported, and dispatched, there would be very few people against it. If they could change the captive bolt, wich is meant for cattle and NOT horses, to something that would instantly kill. It wouldn't be such a horible end. The double decker trailors, are not meant for an animal taller than a cow. Lots of horses get shoved into these trailers, some go down, wind up with broken unatended legs. These horses are then drug out by chains via tractor, and forced into the chutes. They have no access to water... They can't lift their heads above their chests... Now if they change these trailers to something that a horse will FIT INTO, where they wont be trampled, can lift there head to a natural position, ect... Then I would have absolutely NO issues with horse slaughter.
Please - a local farm accident claimed the life of one young boy and has put his two female cousins in the hospital. I am unsure, at this time, of the exact extent of the girls...but please keep these families and kids in your prayers.
I do think that there are major differences between animals and people. Each of us has to trust at least to some degree about that it is a personal decision when to draw the line. It is very difficult at times to know when enough is enough, and always different with each animal. I have met people that will out their feelings and needs ahead of what is in the best interest for the animal. That often makes me a bit crazy.
I have spent a 160.00 on a roo that I knew was old, and had lived a long and happy life. We had just come through a time where we had lost a number of animals to predators, with the worst being the pygmy goat that was killed by a neighbors dog. So as I was standing there crying, shaking, and trying to figure out how to get the safety off the .22. (I know, but that was the only way I figured out I could do it at the time.) When one of the kids said "Mama can't we just save one?" Well that had me finding an avian vet in Vancouver, and making the run across the city. Poor Adolf only lasted a short time after this. As it turned out we had managed to get a roo in the batch of chicks that we had gotten that year. Mussolini had been the one to kick Adolf's behind. We first thought it had been a hawk or something. We didn't figure out all of this until it was too late. DH was home when the next round happened. He was able to finish off Adolf, and he also did in Mussolini. (DH cried afterwards.) We were much less experienced back then. We have toughened up a lot since then. So that is my expensive chicken story.
I have since learned how get the safety off the .22, and know that it was way over kill for the deed. I do know that there are a number of people on the forum that have special needs chickens, and the birds are care for and loved as much as any chicken can be. I have also learned that sometimes it isn't worth trying to keep some of them alive. I have found that birds are rather fragile and will die for no apparent reasons, it is often better to let them go and concentrate on the healthy birds. The flock that remains will be often stronger and healthier that way.
For me I don't let my feelings for the animal become more important as their quality of life. I struggle with my Big Dog's quality of life, because I know that he is always having trouble with his skin itching. For me I know what it is like to itch all the time, it drives me a batty at times. So I worry about BD's itching, and Puppy has learned how to tell me when the itching gets unbearable. I have been getting him cortisone shots about once a month for the past 3 or 4 years. I know that cortisone isn't good for him, but the alternative was to put him down. I didn't think that he would live this long, and so I didn't think that we would be doing the cortisone shots this long. It turns out that he is still seems to be very healthy. He may be having some vision issues, and he does sleep a lot now, but given how old he is I am not surprised. I will keep him with us as long as he continues to be comfortable, even if he is cranky sometimes.
So I don't want to seem as though I don't think that sometimes we shouldn't spend some money to keep our pets healthy, I guess it is more about knowing that sometimes the answer isn't going to be the way we want it to be, and it's okay to let them go if we need too.
I have spent a 160.00 on a roo that I knew was old, and had lived a long and happy life. We had just come through a time where we had lost a number of animals to predators, with the worst being the pygmy goat that was killed by a neighbors dog. So as I was standing there crying, shaking, and trying to figure out how to get the safety off the .22. (I know, but that was the only way I figured out I could do it at the time.) When one of the kids said "Mama can't we just save one?" Well that had me finding an avian vet in Vancouver, and making the run across the city. Poor Adolf only lasted a short time after this. As it turned out we had managed to get a roo in the batch of chicks that we had gotten that year. Mussolini had been the one to kick Adolf's behind. We first thought it had been a hawk or something. We didn't figure out all of this until it was too late. DH was home when the next round happened. He was able to finish off Adolf, and he also did in Mussolini. (DH cried afterwards.) We were much less experienced back then. We have toughened up a lot since then. So that is my expensive chicken story.
I have since learned how get the safety off the .22, and know that it was way over kill for the deed. I do know that there are a number of people on the forum that have special needs chickens, and the birds are care for and loved as much as any chicken can be. I have also learned that sometimes it isn't worth trying to keep some of them alive. I have found that birds are rather fragile and will die for no apparent reasons, it is often better to let them go and concentrate on the healthy birds. The flock that remains will be often stronger and healthier that way.
For me I don't let my feelings for the animal become more important as their quality of life. I struggle with my Big Dog's quality of life, because I know that he is always having trouble with his skin itching. For me I know what it is like to itch all the time, it drives me a batty at times. So I worry about BD's itching, and Puppy has learned how to tell me when the itching gets unbearable. I have been getting him cortisone shots about once a month for the past 3 or 4 years. I know that cortisone isn't good for him, but the alternative was to put him down. I didn't think that he would live this long, and so I didn't think that we would be doing the cortisone shots this long. It turns out that he is still seems to be very healthy. He may be having some vision issues, and he does sleep a lot now, but given how old he is I am not surprised. I will keep him with us as long as he continues to be comfortable, even if he is cranky sometimes.
So I don't want to seem as though I don't think that sometimes we shouldn't spend some money to keep our pets healthy, I guess it is more about knowing that sometimes the answer isn't going to be the way we want it to be, and it's okay to let them go if we need too.
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I will definately keep these kids in my thoughts. So horible... Thank you for bringing it to our attention...
I will definately keep these kids in my thoughts. So horible... Thank you for bringing it to our attention...
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I am happy that you confessed and I won't have to store your body until the nasties bloom again.
I am happy that you confessed and I won't have to store your body until the nasties bloom again.
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Right On !!!!! You said it so very well !!!!
I was worried you would have to throw out all your food, to make room for me in your freezer, so I figured I had better fess up to DH...and as it turned out, he just kept talking and never aknowledged I had bought more...course, he hasn't heard how much I paid either ....
I was worried you would have to throw out all your food, to make room for me in your freezer, so I figured I had better fess up to DH...and as it turned out, he just kept talking and never aknowledged I had bought more...course, he hasn't heard how much I paid either ....
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Cheryl, I agree with you whole heartedly that taking them to the game farm is the best thing to do...rather than pasturing them with no shelter or medication.
In this way, you are not only helping the game farm, but the horses will be put down humanely.
I do not think it is cruel at all, it takes a strong person to see the truth in it is the most humane choice you can make.
In this way, you are not only helping the game farm, but the horses will be put down humanely.
I do not think it is cruel at all, it takes a strong person to see the truth in it is the most humane choice you can make.
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