watery white poo picture..3 year old polish Hen lethargic,droopy wings

[casportpony]

Here is more info on Safeguard (fenbendazole).

 

[rancher hicks]

You're welcome! The Safeguard I mentioned can be used on all mammals, birds and even reptiles, one just needs to look up the doses.

-Kathy

I knew about the animal thing. I learned it the hard way. Which is why I thanked you because I didn't want the newbies going crazy.

 

[casportpony]

A mistake many people make is to read the dosing directions and assume that the goat amount is what chickens get, but it's not, chickens get way more per pound than goats do.

-Kathy

 

[windhillmom]

Just gave her a dose of safeguard paste .5ml in the mouth. Does she get this for three days or just the once and then again in ten days?

 

[casportpony]

Just gave her a dose of safeguard paste .5ml in the mouth. Does she get this for three days or just the once and then again in ten days?

If you want to treat Capillary worms it's *5* consecutive days with Safeguard.

-Kathy

 

[rancher hicks]

Anyone got a picture of the Safeguard package. They have more than one kind here. One is liquid.

Now I bought a package of "Strike Three" Durvet is the brand. Anyone know about this wormer? I haven't opened it yet, in case I choose to return it. It's snowing a lot here and I thought "what the heck if it's no good I can return it". It's pellets that you mix with 50# of feed.

I have the Ivermectin pour on and another site says it works just fine. I do not choose to get into a debate over it. I'm just mentioning it.

 

[casportpony]

Anyone got a picture of the Safeguard package. They have more than one kind here. One is liquid.

Now I bought a package of "Strike Three" Durvet is the brand. Anyone know about this wormer? I haven't opened it yet, in case I choose to return it. It's snowing a lot here and I thought "what the heck if it's no good I can return it". It's pellets that you mix with 50# of feed.

I have the Ivermectin pour on and another site says it works just fine. I do not choose to get into a debate over it. I'm just mentioning it.

Any Safeguard containing 10% fenbendazole will work just fine. If it has a different percentage, all one needs to do is a little middle-school math to figure out the dose.

As long as people keep making statements that ivermectin works I will have to keep replying with this:

Quote:

Ivermectin as a bird anthelmintic--trials with naturally infected domestic fowl.

Oksanen A, Nikander S.

Abstract

To evaluate the use of ivermectin as a bird anthelmintic, 29 White Leghorn hens naturally infected with Ascaridia spp., Heterakis spp. and Capillaria spp. were treated with 0.2, 2 or 6 mg/kg intramuscularly or 0.2 or 0.8 mg/kg orally. Faecal samples were collected before treatment and at autopsy, 2, 6, or 16 days after treatment, when the intestines were also examined for helminths. None of the treatments gave satisfactory anthelmintic results.
PMID:
2816174
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Quote:

Author information

Abstract

Ivermectin (IVM) was perorally administered in dosage schemes 1 x 0.8 mg/kg of body weight (b.w.), 1 x 1.6 mg/kg h.w., 3 x 0.8 mg/kg b.w., and 3 x 1.6 mg/kg b.w. to pheasants infected by Syngamus trachea and Capillaria spp. The samples of faeces were coprologically examined. The clinical state of pheasant was controlled. In all of the used therapeutical schemes the helminthostatic or partially helminthocide effect against adults of worms was reached. The clinical signs of helmithoses were reduced only. IVM in tested doses is not possible to recommend as an effective drug of pheasant syngamosis and capillariosis.

Quote: I usually don't write to periodicals, but after reading the IF IT WERE ME column, I wanted to share my experience with capillary worms and peafowl. I'm not a veterinarian, but I have worked in the field of veterinarian medicine for over twenty years. During this time, I have been involved with the propagation and husbandry of both domestics and exotics ranging from finches to emus, mice to quarter horses.

During the ten years spent raising peafowl, I have formed the opinion that there are three main parasitic enemies. Histomonas (blackhead), coccidia (coccidiosis), and nemotodes (worms). Of these three, coccidia and nematodes are the most difficult to eliminate.

There are three types of capillaria worms. Capillaria caudinflata has an intermediate host in the earthworm and infect the birds small intestine. Capillaria obsignata is passed directly form one bird to another and infects the small intestine and ceca. Capillaria contorta can either be passed directly or by the earth worm and infects the mouth, esophagus, and crop.

Ivomec is a very good wormer. I personally use two to three bottles a year on everything from pigeons to sheep; but is not effective against capillary worms. I like many other use Ivomec and automatically assumed I was doing a good job of controlling internal parasites until one fall. A peahen I had purchased during the summer started to go downhill on me. The bird had been quarantined for three weeks after it was purchased and treated for blackhead, coccidia, and wormed with Ivomec. At first, I just felt the bird needed to be rewormed, but two weeks after re worming the bird showed very little improvement. I ran a fecal sample and, you guessed it, the bird was loaded with capillary worms.

When I called my vet and explained what I had found , he couldn't believe that I had never read the package insert for the product. His words were it's not a miracle drug. It has its limitations. If you want to get capillaria, you should be using Panacure. I used the Panacure not only on the sick bird but on all my peafowl. The sick bird recovered and was laying eggs the following spring.

Panacure cattle dewormer is manufactured by Hoechst-Roussel. It is a fenbendazole 10% suspension. The dosage that I used was 5mg. Per lb. of bird, or .1cc per every two pounds of bird orally for three days. I have also mixed 1.5cc of Panacure with a half a gallon of drinking water for three days and had good results. The only problem is that the Panacure has a tendency to settle out of the water, so you might want to stir the
water once during the day. I personally remove the birds drinking water the night before. The next morning, they get fresh water with the wormer added. I water with the wormer added. I do this for three days and then repeat the process again in 14 to 21 days. I feel this should be done two to three times a year.

Finally, I would like to comment on a couple of things about Ivomec. First, because of the way it works, it only needs to be administered once, not three days in a row like most wormers. Once it's in the system, it lasts for approximately 30 days it doesn't matter if it's given orally or injected. The dosage is the same.

Ivomec has a very large margin of safety, but you should still not overdose. For an adult peafowl, .25 cc is more than adequate. I still use the Ivomec for the control of external and internal parasites, but I also use the Panacure for the capillary worms. A WORD OF CAUTION: it is not advisable to give both wormers at the same time. I give the Ivomec about one month after the second worming with Panacure.

And I could find many threads on BYC that say the same, some even show pictures of dead birds with obvious worm damage even though they had been dewormed with ivermectin.

fenbendazole pictures:









-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Here's another paste picture:

Liquid or paste, it's the same amount, 0.23ml per pound. Liquid is less expensive per mg.

-Kathy

 

[rancher hicks]

While I don't have time to dispute what you say, I certainly can not deal with .23ml per pound. I don't have time to weigh every bird. That's just ridiculous. Unless I'm misunderstanding.

There has to be a better way.

One another front as I searched for info. I found research on DE. It IMO is bogus. One such study made the comment that it "demonstrated no economic value". This was a study in sheep.

"While fecal egg counts were numerically different between the controls and DE groups (favoring the DE group)", Others studies give conflicting information. This statement says egg counts were better than the controls which were treated with nothing.

" Ewes in the DE group had heavier post-lambing live weights than ewes in the drench group, but not the control group." It makes no scientific sense that Ewes treated with DE dry would have heavier lamb than those giving DE as a drench but not heavier than those ewes given nothing. This statement insinuates that Ewes given DE as drench were actually worse off than not. There has to be other mitigating factors.

Back to the chicken, ivermectin thing. I'll have to do more research. I'm not going to go through and weigh every bird I have to use Safeguard. No one who has more than ten birds should be expected to do so. Certainly no breeder with hundreds of bird would.

I also wonder if Peacocks are targeted by a different type of worm than chickens? Certainly if chickens were equal then Peacocks and Pheasants would be equally as easy to raise, right? Am I right in understanding that they are not.

 

[casportpony]

No need to weigh each bird, just guess. Most Laying hens are in the 5-6 pound range, so figure out if you want to worm for all worm. If you do, worm with ~0.23ml per pound for five days. Or do it just once and again in 10 days and you'll get roundworms and cecal worms. Better yet, buy some Valbazen.

I don't weigh all of my birds - large male peacocks get 3ml, small ones get 2ml, large peahens get 2ml, small ones get 1.5ml. 6-12 months, I can also guess and they get 1.25ml to 1.75ml. OEGB get 0.25ml, Banty Cochins get 0.5ml, large RIR hens get 1.5ml, etc.

All poultry get the same worms, period, but some are more susceptible to gapeworms, and some are more susceptible to things like blackhead.

-Kathy