We are trying to figure out what they are.

[Wanderers tales]

As for my origin I’m a stoik but you can say a kurd.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Their growth rate is actually the same, but brhamas are raised as fancy breeds not for meat, try donating a few chicks to a local chicken factory if they accept and raise it the same way as a common factory Cornish then go back to see how fat and large they’ve grown within a month.

I don't have a local chicken factory. The closest I have is in a different state. As for raising one like that, how do you suppose I do it? Give unlimited feed and light for multiple weeks? Because I already do that with all my browser chicks and I don't see my standards waddling around at almost 5 pounds in as many weeks like Cornishx would

 

[Rhodebar Lover]

Then how do you explain that I took 5 of the 6 day old chicks from the same factory and grew up like this after being raised like a fancy breed ? Yes this is from the same batch as the ones in the first factory image. I’ll upload some additional photos tomorrow to show you how the other ones have grown to be like. If you want to know for sure you can test it for yourself if you know anyone who operates or works in a chicken factory ask them for a few chicks then raise them like fancy breeds and you’ll get the same thing you saw in the last images I uploaded.

I raised Brahmas on unlimited gamebird starter all the way through (even higher protein and fat then meatbird food) and they are built like normal Brahmas. I volunteered at a farm animal rescue who had a Cornish Cross meatbird who they had on a diet even and he was EXTREMELY large. Completely incomparable to my Brahmas. This bird was fed small amounts of maintenance chicken food and mostly fruits and vegetables. He wasn't even able to live to two years of age due to his genetic debilitating health problems. Again, I am not familiar with the meat strains overseas, but your logic does not carry over for birds from the US. Here are my Brahmas that if the diet factor was entirely true, should be built like Cornish Crosses. I don't think you're understanding just how genetically different the Cornish Crosses are. Even with the best of care, in the US, they will never be able to live remotely normal lives even with proper diet and care

 

[Wanderers tales]

I don't have a local chicken factory. The closest I have is in a different state. As for raising one like that, how do you suppose I do it? Give unlimited feed and light for multiple weeks? Because I already do that with all my browser chicks and I don't see my standards waddling around at almost 5 pounds in as many weeks like Cornishx would

It’s not just the feed and temperature drugs as well are also used. But you don’t have to since I’ve already done it myself. It worked with a polish hen I tested it on. But she died due to intestinal issues and heart failure after 6 months.

 

[Wanderers tales]

I raised Brahmas on unlimited gamebird starter all the way through (even higher protein and fat then meatbird food) and they are built like normal Brahmas. I volunteered at a farm animal rescue who had a Cornish Cross meatbird who they had on a diet even and he was EXTREMELY large. Completely incomparable to my Brahmas. This bird was fed small amounts of maintenance chicken food and mostly fruits and vegetables. He wasn't even able to live to two years of age due to his genetic debilitating health problems. Again, I am not familiar with the meat strains overseas, but your logic does not carry over for birds from the US. Here are my Brahmas that if the diet factor was entirely true, should be built like Cornish Crosses. I don't think you're understanding just how genetically different the Cornish Crosses are. Even with the best of care, in the US, they will never be able to live remotely normal lives even with proper diet and care
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I raised Brahmas on unlimited gamebird starter all the way through (even higher protein and fat then meatbird food) and they are built like normal Brahmas. I volunteered at a farm animal rescue who had a Cornish Cross meatbird who they had on a diet even and he was EXTREMELY large. Completely incomparable to my Brahmas. This bird was fed small amounts of maintenance chicken food and mostly fruits and vegetables. He wasn't even able to live to two years of age due to his genetic debilitating health problems. Again, I am not familiar with the meat strains overseas, but your logic does not carry over for birds from the US. Here are my Brahmas that if the diet factor was entirely true, should be built like Cornish Crosses. I don't think you're understanding just how genetically different the Cornish Crosses are. Even with the best of care, in the US, they will never be able to live remotely normal lives even with proper diet and care
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It’s not just feed and temp there’s also drugs and has more to it than that. I own a few factories myself. Perhaps you might be correct about the possibility of a genetic difference when it comes to Kurdish and American Cornish.
Yet ... can you explain why they look exactly the same and give the exact same results ? You did see our factories images did you not ? Also our factory Cornish are still juveniles despite their appearance they’re only 45 to 60 days old.

Also I have another question for you. Where do you actually think we get the chicks ? You think we just use roosters and hens of two different breeds to produce them ? That’s not the case, we separate some chicks we want to use as breeds like the ones I showed you with my home reared roosters, those normal looking healthy ones are breeders. The ones we send to the factory and injected with drugs are products we raised in very specific temps and humidity and given very specific feed. This caused them to grow fast and develop feathers but they can not breed they’re too young and too deformed, also because of the way they’re raised after spending 10 days of their early life in a factory, they usually won’t survive outside for long even if they do heart failure and intestinal problems will kill them before they’re 1 year old only a rare 10% manage to survive. And if a very talented and capable breeder takes them in he can shape it back to health and give it a normal life, we call the ones that survive the factory “omahat” And I’ve actually managed get a few like that out and cross them with brahmas, the results were amazing unfortunately most of the eggs don’t hatch. But those that do become giants from the day they hatch.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

It’s not just feed and temp there’s also drugs and has more to it than that. I own a few factories myself. Perhaps you might be correct about the possibility of a genetic difference when it comes to Kurdish and American Cornish. Yet ... can you explain why they look exactly the same and give the exact same results ? You did see our factories images did you not ? Also our factory Cornish are still juveniles despite their appearance they’re only 45 to 60 days old. Also I have another question for you. Where do you actually think we get the chicks ? You they we just use roosters and hens of two different breeds to produce them ? That’s not the case we separate some chicks we want to use as breeds like the ones I showed you with my home reared roosters those normal looking healthy ones are breeders the ones we send to the factory and injected with drugs raised in very specific temps and humidity and given very specific feed. This caused them to grow fast and develop feathers but they can not breed they’re too young also because of the way they’re raised after spending 10 days of their early life in a factory they won’t survive outside for long even if they do heart failure and intestinal problems will kill them before they’re 1 year old only a rare 10% manage to survive. And if a very talented and capable breeder takes them in he can shape it back to health and give it a normal life, we call the ones that survive the factory “omahat” And I’ve actually managed get a few like that out and cross them with brahmas the results were amazing unfortunately most of the eggs don’t hatch. But those that do become giants from the day they hatch.

The US doesn't allow steroids for poultry. So that's likely one example to show how you're getting polish of all things to grow so large

 

[Wanderers tales]

The US doesn't allow steroids for poultry. So that's likely one example to show how you're getting polish of all things to grow so large

Well I suppose the only way to sort this, is if someone from the US manages to get his hands on a 3 day old Cornish chick and give it a normal life. Though I’m certain the results will be the same. I’m a businessman and a biologist after all this sort of thing is within my specialty and I’ve been to Thailand iran and many other countries and I assure you it’s the same thing.

 

[ColtHandorf]

There are many people on this forum that have mistakenly purchased Cornish X chicks at the feedstore and raised them alongside other breeds. The result is the same. The birds sit in front of a feeder all day, gain weight more rapidly than their brooder mates and live abbreviated lives as a result.

Perhaps @duluthralphie could speak to the Cornish X raising methods as he worked with some line of birds to create the Toad (?), a type of sufficient, self-replicating, Cornish alternative.

To the OP's point though, the birds are Amberlinks.