Weezing Roo! Please Help!**UPDATE 3**PATHOLOGY REPORT

[snowhorse]

So after everything was said and done. I had the roo in the cage for a week. After him I had a hen with the same exact symptoms in the emergency cage for a week.

They both were let back in with the flock subsequently.

The hen I had in for a week after 2 days has the same symptoms again. The Roo has showed no signs of reoccurance.

So I'm stumped, I have changed nothing! So I have her on VetRx at night, 2-3 drops in the beak, and I put a drop in each nostirl, rub it on top of her head and under her wings.

Along with a drop of Selenium w/ E Vitamin and PolyViSol 2-3 drops. She has OACV vinegar water, and Cod Live oil sprayed on her feed.

She will not eat the yogurt in the emergency cage, only when I have it down for the whole flock and they get excited about it. Shes mad in that little cage so I think she is being a little stubborn.

Any ideas? Should I do antibiotics now? Treat the whole flock?

 

[snowhorse]

Tonight was the 3rd treatment of VetRx and it doesnt seem to be helping her congestion much. I think if by tomorrow she is looking the same I will start her on antibiotics..

I have Tylan and Polyotic Soluble Powder 10 gm. Tetracyline HCl but neither is labeled for poultry so Im looking for a dosage!

 

[threehorses]

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Which Tylan? I'd go with that above all others. Tetracycline tends to be weak.

 

[VA from WV]

I've been dealing with the effects of Fall weather, dust from coop cleaning, and trying to keep ahead of the chicken poop with my Broilers. Gurgly, but not lethargic, coupled with young cockerels trying to crow for the first time and you get some -pathetic- noises from the chicken house!

This started at the same time when -my- Fall allergies kicked up, so there is plenty to tie it to weather changes. Don't have a single other chicken with the issue--not even the ones who have been living with the broilers normally--it just seems to be their thing.

I'm going to move to regular supplementation in the next round of Broilers to work against the ill-effects of damp. I may have to medicate the ones who don't go to processing on the morrow.

 

[snowhorse]

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Which Tylan? I'd go with that above all others. Tetracycline tends to be weak.

Tylan Water Soluble Tylosin Tartrate

For Use in Chickens, Turkeys, Swine and Honey Bees Only

Equivalent to 100 g tylosin base

Is what I have. Do you think its reasonable to treat everyone or just her? Could this be CRD?

 

[threehorses]

I'd treat everyone and just get it over with once, in case. I don't usually say that.

It's possible it's CRD, but it's possible it's another half dozen things as well. The only real way to tell is test with an avian vet, a Culture and Sensitivity - otherwise we're always guessing except in cases where there are a very few very trademark symptoms - which there aren't here.

 

[snowhorse]

So I have a Appenzeller Spitzhauben I found this morning with 1 leg that does not seem to be working. She can move the top of the joint but it looks like the toes are paralyzed?

Does this have any connection with what I already have going on? I have no idea what to do with her. She was squaking loudly when everyone went out this morning. So she is in with my speckled sussex who appears to have cleared up somewhat this morning.

I really seem to have having a rough go of thing? Is there anything I can do for her?

 

[threehorses]

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I always believe that all things are connected. If not exactly directly, then indirectly.

For example - this could be a mycoplasma synoviea infection which results in leg issues. Or it could be that she had an issue with her leg, paralysis, that came from a lowered immunity beause of health challenges because of exposure to the other illness - or whatever condition is predisposing the birds to the other illness. They're always connected because flocks are like a big tapestry with all the threads touching.

On this one, feel her joints. Do you feel any inflammation? How old is this bird - under 5 months? Sounds like hypovitaminosis B (vitamin B deficiency) needs to be ruled out, too.

I'm curious about your feed now actually. Is it under a month old, age appropriate, no grains - just concentrated crumbles/pellets, and kept in a dry, waterproof, cool place? No light? Fed fresh daily?

For the hen, isolate her, get her hydrated and eating (wet the crumbles if you must). I'd give her vitamin E and B. E at a rate of 400-700 IU daily. (400 IU capsules are the most common vitamin E capsules). B, using a B-complex vitamin crushed and fed in a wet mash daily. Do that for a week in addition to polyvisol baby vitamins (3 drops daily in the beak) and probiotics because she won't be moving or eating normally for a week. Let's see if this isn't nutritional something causing these birds to do this.

I'm wondering, now, about hypovitaminosis A in your other birds.... are you giving them the vitamins, too? Oil vitamins w/A?

 

[snowhorse]

Quote:
I always believe that all things are connected. If not exactly directly, then indirectly.

For example - this could be a mycoplasma synoviea infection which results in leg issues. Or it could be that she had an issue with her leg, paralysis, that came from a lowered immunity beause of health challenges because of exposure to the other illness - or whatever condition is predisposing the birds to the other illness. They're always connected because flocks are like a big tapestry with all the threads touching.

On this one, feel her joints. Do you feel any inflammation? How old is this bird - under 5 months? Sounds like hypovitaminosis B (vitamin B deficiency) needs to be ruled out, too.

I'm curious about your feed now actually. Is it under a month old, age appropriate, no grains - just concentrated crumbles/pellets, and kept in a dry, waterproof, cool place? No light? Fed fresh daily?

For the hen, isolate her, get her hydrated and eating (wet the crumbles if you must). I'd give her vitamin E and B. E at a rate of 400-700 IU daily. (400 IU capsules are the most common vitamin E capsules). B, using a B-complex vitamin crushed and fed in a wet mash daily. Do that for a week in addition to polyvisol baby vitamins (3 drops daily in the beak) and probiotics because she won't be moving or eating normally for a week. Let's see if this isn't nutritional something causing these birds to do this.

I'm wondering, now, about hypovitaminosis A in your other birds.... are you giving them the vitamins, too? Oil vitamins w/A?

So I have second pullet with the same leg condition, the toes don't seem to be folded under, but her leg is not working properly. Nothing is inflamed that I can find, and no visable damage.

I do not feed the flock any extra vitamins. I just picked up a new bag of feed this past weekend. I have been feeding Purina Mills

Start & Grow

SunFresh

Recipe all along. I buy it in a 50lb bag because I go through it in about 3 weeks. When I buy it, I empty it into a metal container with a lid to keep it cool, fresh, and the water and elements out.

None of them are laying yet, and they were all born Early to Late June. And the feed is crumbles. I did add some Kickin' Chicken Supplement to the feed this past week, maybe that was it? Its an Omega additive to the feed. I put in a large feeder which probably last 2 to 3 days at most, depending on if I let them free range or not.

 

[threehorses]

Quote:
I always believe that all things are connected. If not exactly directly, then indirectly.

For example - this could be a mycoplasma synoviea infection which results in leg issues. Or it could be that she had an issue with her leg, paralysis, that came from a lowered immunity beause of health challenges because of exposure to the other illness - or whatever condition is predisposing the birds to the other illness. They're always connected because flocks are like a big tapestry with all the threads touching.

On this one, feel her joints. Do you feel any inflammation? How old is this bird - under 5 months? Sounds like hypovitaminosis B (vitamin B deficiency) needs to be ruled out, too.

I'm curious about your feed now actually. Is it under a month old, age appropriate, no grains - just concentrated crumbles/pellets, and kept in a dry, waterproof, cool place? No light? Fed fresh daily?

For the hen, isolate her, get her hydrated and eating (wet the crumbles if you must). I'd give her vitamin E and B. E at a rate of 400-700 IU daily. (400 IU capsules are the most common vitamin E capsules). B, using a B-complex vitamin crushed and fed in a wet mash daily. Do that for a week in addition to polyvisol baby vitamins (3 drops daily in the beak) and probiotics because she won't be moving or eating normally for a week. Let's see if this isn't nutritional something causing these birds to do this.

I'm wondering, now, about hypovitaminosis A in your other birds.... are you giving them the vitamins, too? Oil vitamins w/A?

So I have second pullet with the same leg condition, the toes don't seem to be folded under, but her leg is not working properly. Nothing is inflamed that I can find, and no visable damage.

I do not feed the flock any extra vitamins. I just picked up a new bag of feed this past weekend. I have been feeding Purina Mills

Start & Grow

SunFresh

Recipe all along. I buy it in a 50lb bag because I go through it in about 3 weeks. When I buy it, I empty it into a metal container with a lid to keep it cool, fresh, and the water and elements out.

None of them are laying yet, and they were all born Early to Late June. And the feed is crumbles. I did add some Kickin' Chicken Supplement to the feed this past week, maybe that was it? Its an Omega additive to the feed. I put in a large feeder which probably last 2 to 3 days at most, depending on if I let them free range or not.

Did the Kickin'CHicken happen before the other hen, though?

Hmmm the free ranging - anything they could be getting into out there/ Mushrooms? Compost? Mildew or decaying vegetation? Any falling fruit?

I think I'd try the E & B on this bird, too. Also definitely time to call an extension and prepare to get one necropsied to see what's going on. Three's my magic number.