what breed/type of cochin is this?

[Year of the Rooster]

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Gold Laced Cochins are not official yet. Yes there are already other Gold Laced breeds such as the Wyandotte, but they are trying to make a variety of Cochin that is Gold Laced.

Gold Laced Cochins are not official yet.

They are official they were interned into the American Standard in 1965.

Chris​

Oh, thanks for the correction Chris. Didn't know that

 

[Pele]

He is a gold laced cochin roo. He's not show quality, so he probably came from a hatchery. Gorgeous bird either way! Congrats!

 

[akcountrygrrl]

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Gold Laced Cochins are not official yet.

They are official they were interned into the American Standard in 1965.

Chris​

Oh, thanks for the correction Chris. Didn't know that

Because I was just talking out my butt and didn't check my facts before I posted them???? I try to check things like that before I post them and I do have an APA Standard that I refer to.

Chris09, while he may have some lacing, his color is still totally wrong for a gold laced. For the OP's purposes, partridge seems to best fit his coloration. If he is a hatchery bird, the poor coloration is no big surprise.

 

[Pele]

I hate to disagree, but it's the Partridge Cochin his coloring is all wrong for.

Here are two pictures of the different breeds:

Gold Laced:
http://www.cacklehatchery.com/Golded_laced_cochin_rooster_bantam.jpg

Partridge:
http://www.cacklehatchery.com/partridge_cochin_std_rooster.jpg

Partridge Cochins should have NO lacing whatsoever. Their underfeathers and breast should be a solid dark mahogany or an almost black. Even a hatchery quality Partridge wouldn't have lacing. Sloppy breeding practices wouldn't introduce a completely different feather pattern, instead it would just produce non-ideal and messy patterning. The only way you'd get gold lacing on a Partridge is by mixing the two breeds.

 

[Chris09]

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They are official they were interned into the American Standard in 1965.

Chris

Oh, thanks for the correction Chris. Didn't know that

Because I was just talking out my butt and didn't check my facts before I posted them???? I try to check things like that before I post them and I do have an APA Standard that I refer to.

Chris09, while he may have some lacing, his color is still totally wrong for a gold laced. For the OP's purposes, partridge seems to best fit his coloration. If he is a hatchery bird, the poor coloration is no big surprise.

Chris09, while he may have some lacing, his color is still totally wrong for a gold laced. For the OP's purposes, partridge seems to best fit his coloration. If he is a hatchery bird, the poor coloration is no big surprise

I didn't say that he was Gold Laced.

What I said was, "He's not a Partridge Cochin. If you look at his breast you can see Lacing. Male Partridge pattern fowl should not have that."
Now to me he looks to be a cross of patterns, If I was to take a guess I would say that he was a Gold Laced and Partridge cross.

Chris​

 

[akcountrygrrl]

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Because I was just talking out my butt and didn't check my facts before I posted them???? I try to check things like that before I post them and I do have an APA Standard that I refer to.

Chris09, while he may have some lacing, his color is still totally wrong for a gold laced. For the OP's purposes, partridge seems to best fit his coloration. If he is a hatchery bird, the poor coloration is no big surprise.

Chris09, while he may have some lacing, his color is still totally wrong for a gold laced. For the OP's purposes, partridge seems to best fit his coloration. If he is a hatchery bird, the poor coloration is no big surprise

I didn't say that he was Gold Laced.

What I said was, "He's not a Partridge Cochin. If you look at his breast you can see Lacing. Male Partridge pattern fowl should not have that."
Now to me he looks to be a cross of patterns, If I was to take a guess I would say that he was a Gold Laced and Partridge cross.

Chris​

I know you didn't. I agree completely that he is probably a mix of colors but the OP was asking what color he should be entered as for a 4-H show. In my opinion, he should be entered as a partridge because he more closely resembles that than a gold laced. He seems to be a very typical hatchery bird but still very pretty.

Pele, I was basing my comments on what the APA Standard of Perfection shows/calls for not pictures provided by a hatchery. Partridge and gold laced are varieties not breeds. It wouldn't be unusual for a hatchery to mix colors or even breeds. After all, I have ordered OEGBs from a hatchery and gotten some with crests. Can't tell me there was no cross breeding there...

Hatcheries aren't known for breeding their birds to a standard like we would hope.

 

[Pele]

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I very sorry, but I just am not able to follow your logic on this one. One can't discount a hatchery picture, then state that they're right because it's probably a hatchery bird. If you find the hatchery pictures distasteful, here is a picture from a man who has been breeding Partridge cochins for over 30 years, and has been the president of the Dutch Cochin Club since 2008.

http://www.ardjanscochins.110mb.com/index.php?page=eggs&lang=en

The APA would NEVER allow for lacing in a Partridge. Please note the solid feathering on the breast. Anyone who presented a laced bird as a Partridge would not be taken seriously at a show, even a 4-H one. In fact, part of the 4-H shows is displaying your knowledge of your bird. Hatchery quality Gold Laced birds could explain messy and low quality coloring, but not the presence of a completely different pattern.

If you are getting completely mixed mutts from your hatchery, I would suggest switching to another source. I've never gotten a crossbreed from my hatchery that wasn't an intentional hybridization. It would be very frustrating to me as a customer to put up with such low standards. I know I'm not buying showbirds, but at the very least I would like a bird that has the qualities I am looking for.

 

[Year of the Rooster]

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Well excuse me for not being up to date on the Cochin breed. If you really want to help people then don't get pissy at everyone who makes a mistake (it tends to make people think you're a b****). Not everyone has the privilege of having a Standard of Perfection. The main point of my explanation was why the bird would be a project Gold Laced bird in the first place. Reasons being the person may have wanted to start their own line which also brings new blood in the Gold Laced gene pool. The only thing you should be checking before you post is your attitude.

 

[akcountrygrrl]

Pele, my point was that pictures provided by a hatchery are not necessarily a good representation of the breed or variety being sold by the hatchery. Hatchery "Ameraucanas/Araucanas" are a prime example. Hatcheries will show a picture of a tailless, tufted Araucana but when have you ever seen a true Araucana come out of a commercial hatchery??? Instead, you get Easter Eggers.

The hatchery I got the mixed birds from is a well known, widely used hatchery and I won't be using them again.

I raise both partridge and gold laced Cochins and know what both are supposed to look like. While it is true that the standard does not call for lacing on the breast of the partridge, it does require lacing on the head, hackle, and saddle feathers for a gold laced. The OP's bird doesn't have any lacing there plus the lacing on the breast and legs is sparse. It doesn't meet the standard for either color but I still think it is closer to partridge than gold laced

 

[akcountrygrrl]

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Well excuse me for not being up to date on the Cochin breed. If you really want to help people then don't get pissy at everyone who makes a mistake (it tends to make people think you're a b****). Not everyone has the privilege of having a Standard of Perfection. The main point of my explanation was why the bird would be a project Gold Laced bird in the first place. Reasons being the person may have wanted to start their own line which also brings new blood in the Gold Laced gene pool. The only thing you should be checking before you post is your attitude.

If you're not up to date on a breed, then why would you make posts that indicate you are? I don't get pissy at everyone that makes a mistake but when you tell me I'm wrong and I KNOW I'm right, I'm going to stand up for myself. You were the one who stated that gold laced wasn't a recognized variety of Cochins, not me. You don't need an SOP to know what breeds and varieties are recognized by the APA. You can go to http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/APA_Recognized_Breeds_6_2010.pdf for a listing of all of the recognized breeds and varieties of poultry and it doesn't cost a thing.