What can I do for Chloey? Eye bleeding..pic UPDATED POST SURGERY PICS

[pete55]

Hi

It looks like a'blood blister' on the soft tissue. Unfortunately it appears that it will not respond to topical ointments as it irritates the bird so she scratches it. This causes trauma and the process starts again. It could be ealily removed and professionally cauterised by a Vet. Im afraid repareated trauma and treatments are probably going to be unsucessful and lead to loss of sight and possibly the bird.

I know Vets are not cheap especially in these economic times but why not be up front with the Vet and tell them funds are limitied and see if they can help.

Good luck

Pete

 

[NYRIR]

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Thanks, Yes I will if this does not seem to do the trick. I do not want to keep messing with it and do more damage, not to mention both of us feel awful for having to do this to our dear Chloey! If this was unsuccessful I will try calling around and see who would be willing to help for a reasonable price. As I said, she is eating/drinking this am and no blood seeping through the bandages. So I am hopeful

 

[Denninmi]

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I'm sorry for the ordeal you went through with her. Not being there, I can't begin to know how serious the blood loss was, but overall, with this sort of thing, it probably looks worse than it is -- lets hope so. If she is eating and drinking I can't imagine that she won't be ok. Just give good supportive care. Infection or renewed bleeding would be the worst potential complications at this point.

I hope you don't think I gave bad advice, but when you said that you found a black object that looked like a peppercorn, that was the core of the sty, probably an ingrown feather shaft that the body had tried to encapsulate, I'm sure that it was a sty, and the only way it will ever truly heal is to remove the core, which you did.

Honestly, I think you did the right thing, and I am pretty sure she'll be fine.

 

[NYRIR]

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As I said...I am only working part-time and have not got the money.Vets in this state are not willing to take payments.My 10 year old cat cost me 700.00 for ear surgery last year and I had to pay it up front( I could not have fixed it myself so he went to the vet).Without getting into my personal situation, I will tell you that we have over 150 birds here. I cannot just run to the vet with one every time they have a problem.Farmers for centuries have been taking care of problems without a vet,and those they couldn't fix they culled. So far we have been successful on all surgeries we have done with no loss of life. If need be, I WILL find a vet for Chloey because I love her, but if we can fix it at home it's more economical. DH is another battle for the vets, because he feels the birds are livestock and sometimes some just don't make it. Not that he would object too much if I pushed the issue, but he would be agreeable only because of me...not the goose.He has more of a true "farmer's" attitude than I do.If farmer's took every bird to the vet every time they had a problem....there would be no more farmers.They'd all be broke!
Everyone's situation is different and I do not judge those who do take their birds to the vets for every issue,if I were rich, I would still try home remedies first.JMO but thanks for your help.

 

[NYRIR]

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I'm sorry for the ordeal you went through with her. Not being there, I can't begin to know how serious the blood loss was, but overall, with this sort of thing, it probably looks worse than it is -- lets hope so. If she is eating and drinking I can't imagine that she won't be ok. Just give good supportive care. Infection or renewed bleeding would be the worst potential complications at this point.

I hope you don't think I gave bad advice, but when you said that you found a black object that looked like a peppercorn, that was the core of the sty, probably an ingrown feather shaft that the body had tried to encapsulate, I'm sure that it was a sty, and the only way it will ever truly heal is to remove the core, which you did.

Honestly, I think you did the right thing, and I am pretty sure she'll be fine.

Thank you....no your advice is appreciated. She seems relatively well this morning. So I am hopeful

I will keep posted about how she recovers and post pics in a couple of days on how it turned out.I am trying to give it time to heal before I take the dressing off.
The blood just kept coming....and coming...her feathers are a MESS right now and covered in dried blood but I am not going to stress her today by cleaning her.Maybe tomorrow. I can tell you that if we had done nothing she would eventually die from blood loss.It was that bad. Simply because she kept rubbing it and irritating it more and more. Anyway, I hope this worked, I should know in a couple of days.
Thanks so much for showing support

 

[rainplace]

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As I said...I am only working part-time and have not got the money.Vets in this state are not willing to take payments.My 10 year old cat cost me 700.00 for ear surgery last year and I had to pay it up front( I could not have fixed it myself so he went to the vet).Without getting into my personal situation, I will tell you that we have over 150 birds here. I cannot just run to the vet with one every time they have a problem.Farmers for centuries have been taking care of problems without a vet,and those they couldn't fix they culled. So far we have been successful on all surgeries we have done with no loss of life. If need be, I WILL find a vet for Chloey because I love her, but if we can fix it at home it's more economical. DH is another battle for the vets, because he feels the birds are livestock and sometimes some just don't make it. Not that he would object too much if I pushed the issue, but he would be agreeable only because of me...not the goose.He has more of a true "farmer's" attitude than I do.If farmer's took every bird to the vet every time they had a problem....there would be no more farmers.They'd all be broke!
Everyone's situation is different and I do not judge those who do take their birds to the vets for every issue,if I were rich, I would still try home remedies first.JMO but thanks for your help.

Most of our birds are livestock also and we also have to deal with most of own vetting. I did manage however to find a vet who specializes in waterfowl who lives in our area and he trades his services for fresh veggies, fresh chicken (he actually came and helped us process one day) duck eggs, chicken eggs, and beef. He also shows us how to do many things ourselves. It has been a great relationship.

 

[NYRIR]

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As I said...I am only working part-time and have not got the money.Vets in this state are not willing to take payments.My 10 year old cat cost me 700.00 for ear surgery last year and I had to pay it up front( I could not have fixed it myself so he went to the vet).Without getting into my personal situation, I will tell you that we have over 150 birds here. I cannot just run to the vet with one every time they have a problem.Farmers for centuries have been taking care of problems without a vet,and those they couldn't fix they culled. So far we have been successful on all surgeries we have done with no loss of life. If need be, I WILL find a vet for Chloey because I love her, but if we can fix it at home it's more economical. DH is another battle for the vets, because he feels the birds are livestock and sometimes some just don't make it. Not that he would object too much if I pushed the issue, but he would be agreeable only because of me...not the goose.He has more of a true "farmer's" attitude than I do.If farmer's took every bird to the vet every time they had a problem....there would be no more farmers.They'd all be broke!
Everyone's situation is different and I do not judge those who do take their birds to the vets for every issue,if I were rich, I would still try home remedies first.JMO but thanks for your help.

Most of our birds are livestock also and we also have to deal with most of own vetting. I did manage however to find a vet who specializes in waterfowl who lives in our area and he trades his services for fresh veggies, fresh chicken (he actually came and helped us process one day) duck eggs, chicken eggs, and beef. He also shows us how to do many things ourselves. It has been a great relationship.

That's awesome....I need to find someone like that! It's nice to hear from someone who does most of their own vetting too. I think we are a dying breed though. Nowadays people run to the Doc's for everything for themselves and their animals! When my kids sprain an ankle...I treat it myself.We don't go to the Doctors for every cold, bump, bruise and scratch. People even take their pets for haircuts, manicures and the like....crazy to me but whatever they like, I guess. I do appreciate the vet when I can't fix it myself but I am also not going to get every shot recommended for the cats and dog because some are unnecessary IMO. I have living proof of that since I have 2 cats that are 9 and 11 who are indoor/outdoor cats and they are healthy and have not had ALL the recommended shots. They get your basics, rabies, distemper. I had them tested once for feline leukemia... not doing it again. Seems silly to me to keep doing that, at their age if they get it...they get it.I personally do not go to the Doc's as often as I probably should...so why would I do that for the animals? We keep them fed/clean/watered/ and pay a TON of attention to them. I noticed bumble foot on one chicken out of 110, so i think that speaks for itself.
Anyway, it's nice to hear from someone who understands my way of thinking, so thanks for posting

 

[rainplace]

Developing a relationship with a vet who makes farm calls is just that, something that is developed. For both our cattle vet and our poultry vet, I initially paid in full for their services. The vet we use for our cattle lives two hours away and he's the closest. Just to get him to the farm is $200. He comes out once a year to give our heifers their brucellosis shots and to castrate any young bull that we couldn't get to to band. I use that opportunity to ask him everything I can think of. He's the one who taught us how to give our own vaccines, how to preg check our cows... etc. Periodically through the year I might call him for specific advice about a problem and he helps me determine whether or not it's something I can deal with myself. I had him on speaker phone one late night as I pulled a calf... thank goodness it all went well. If I need some prescribed medication he no longer has to come out and check the animal himself as he knows that I am describing the situation accurately and he sees the herd once a year so he phones in the prescription for me to pick up.

It is the same with our poultry vet, but better. He mostly works in the field up in Alaska, at bird rescues around our area, and at an avian vet place. I think we were the first farm he'd ever made a house call to and we are lucky that he likes coming out. He had to rethink how he does things... i.e. is the treatment economically feasible considering this animal is livestock... will normal treatment take this bird out of production for the rest of it's life and if so, what are alternative treatments. I explained to him up front that I would hope he would show me how to do things myself so I would not need him, and that most cases had to be thought of from an economic point of view. He has been up to the task.

The key to both of these relationships imo is that I do not call them for every little thing. With our cattle vet, if I have spent a good amount of time on the phone with him, I ask him to send me a bill for the phone consults, he never has. With our poultry vet, when I feel like I need him to come out, I tell him what I have to trade and could that cover any of the costs of his visit. So far I've never been charged more than $20 cash since his second visit. His wife comes to the farm every few weeks to buy a dozen duck eggs and I refuse her money. I always assume there will be a full cash transaction.

Having vets to work with is worth more than any other thing I have done for our livestock.

 

[NYRIR]

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That is so fantastic....wish they were closer to me! Although, in the near future I should be getting more hours at work and it will be my plan to find a decent bird vet that maybe a relationship like you have with yours will develop. It's not that i don't want to spend the money on Chloey right now...it's that we don't HAVE it to spend....

As for Chloey...she is sleeping a lot today. I assumed she would from stress and from the blood loss....I'm worried but holding out hope. She is not very vocal today but she does respond when I speak to her...Cornelius keeps calling to her so tomorrow i may set up a small fenced area where they can be together depending on her status. Wish her a speedy recovery.

 

[rainplace]

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That is so fantastic....wish they were closer to me! Although, in the near future I should be getting more hours at work and it will be my plan to find a decent bird vet that maybe a relationship like you have with yours will develop. It's not that i don't want to spend the money on Chloey right now...it's that we don't HAVE it to spend....

As for Chloey...she is sleeping a lot today. I assumed she would from stress and from the blood loss....I'm worried but holding out hope. She is not very vocal today but she does respond when I speak to her...Cornelius keeps calling to her so tomorrow i may set up a small fenced area where they can be together depending on her status. Wish her a speedy recovery.

Yes, I could not do it until I had the money to do it the first couple of times. I also had a few emergencies happen all at once that I didn't know how to take of so took the plunge and had several birds lined up that needed care, one of those birds being one of the first ducks I ever had...