What color is this??

[hdowden]

out of all the images i have seen of birchen and silver birchen i do not see any color difference between the 2 they look exactly the same

also according to that chart gold is replaced with silver (S) which gives you birchen which also implies (understood) that it is silver birchen since it is the silver gene that creates the coloring there is no gold involved in it.

i do not see him contradicting himself either what he is saying is that who ever breed the op's bird may have breed a birchen to a partridge or the breeders birchens have partridge in their background to give that leakage (although i don't really see any gold leakage just either sun burnt feathers or to much corn in diet)

by no means do i fully understand genetics but i do understand the whole color thing here

 

[ChickenExtreme]

So my little bantam cochin roo, Buster has decided to FINALLY grow some feathers!!! Hooorrrrayyy!!

However, he supposed to be black with green beetle feathers.....but guess what? Hes got golden coloring coming through on his "fore arms" or Marginal/secondary/lesser covert feathers! He has some silver looking feathers going down his neck from his ears, he also seems to have some lacing on his chest.

Until my camera has a charge, the best I can do is give an example picture. This bird has much more golden coloring around his neck than Buster, but the shoulders and chest look the same and his saddle feathers are coming in gold too.

Here is an Example picture.

I'd say Birchen Cochin with gold gene in it

 

[hdowden]

Not my bird Picture form http://bantams.the-kozaks.com/ModernGames/ModernGames-3.html

Pictures below are from http://www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Hoofdpagina
Hackle Feather --

Saddle Feather --

Below infomation from http://ps.fass.org/content/33/3/472.abstract

Genetics of Birchen Plumage Pattern in the Fowl

1. Elliot Kimball​

BIRCHEN phenotype consists in fractionated pyle-zoned restriction, associated with black ground color and laced breast feathers in both sexes (American Standard of Perfection, 1953). It is found in the Birchen Game and Game Bantam as silver-on-black, and the same pattern appears in the Gray Japanese Bantam. Identity of patterning obtains in the Brown-red or Brown-breasted Game, except that silver is replaced by gold. Experimental evidence submitted below demonstrates Brown-red to be a gold variety of Birchen, and since multiplicity of breed names applied to the same basic pattern is cumbersome and confusing, the present report designates the variants as Silver Birchen (Birchen) and Golden Birchen (Brown-red), respectively.
Bateson and Punnett (1906) found Golden Birchen dominant to Black-breasted Red on a monofactorial autosomal basis. Illustrations of wild type striped Black-breasted Red, and non-striped black Golden Birchen chicks were published by Bateson (1910). Hagedoorn (1909) reported Black-breasted Red dominant to Golden Birchen, . . .


Chris

that in blue right there also tells you that silver birchen and birchen are the same color

 

[ChickenExtreme]

that in blue right there also tells you that silver birchen and birchen are the same color

I know, he messes with me, so I mess back, lol, It's all for fun

 

[Reurra]

Quote: I looked him over this morning, he has darker pin feathers on his back, almost a reddish tan tinge in with the gold color. His head is completely black, but with splashes of white/gold in the neck and scallops/lacing on his chest.

I'll try and get the camera charged and get some pictures. Its so hard to explain, but he really is a neat looking little roo. Hes smaller than a pigeon lol.

 

[Reurra]

as for the golden color you are talking about, is it just on part of the feather and on top? is it the whole area? did the feathers come in like that? is he out in the sun a lot? do you feed them corn any (like 2-3 times a week)?

depending on your answer's he may just be sun bleached or the corn turned the white feathers yellowish as in that pic that cock looks to be sun bleached instead

i do agree that he is a birchen cochin

I dont feed him corn and they dont go out into the sun. they have a nice big window to let in the light, but he does not sun in it, the light coming in is on the lee of the building so no direct light. His back feathers look very much dark gold/tan his chest feathers are white laced and his neck is black with splashes and streaks of silver...silver as in no pigment at all, they literally are transparent which makes them look silver. His shoulders are light gold/yellowish like a pale ochre. The centers of both his "yellow" back and shoulder feathers are black.


Hackle Feather --

Saddle Feather --

 

[Chris09]

I'd say Birchen Cochin with gold gene in it

You might want to go back and reread my posts, you might learn something.

Chris

 

[Chris09]

I know, he messes with me, so I mess back, lol, It's all for fun

I don't mess with you, I correct your mistakes.

Chris

 

[Chris09]

I dont feed him corn and they dont go out into the sun. they have a nice big window to let in the light, but he does not sun in it, the light coming in is on the lee of the building so no direct light. His back feathers look very much dark gold/tan his chest feathers are white laced and his neck is black with splashes and streaks of silver...silver as in no pigment at all, they literally are transparent which makes them look silver. His shoulders are light gold/yellowish like a pale ochre. The centers of both his "yellow" back and shoulder feathers are black.

I would say that someone at one time bred Silver Birchen to either Partridge or back to Brown Red and the Golden color is bleeding through.
The color is somewhat common with hatchery stock here in the states when a hatchery crosses a Brown Red male over a Birchen female, the offspring in this cross will come out
sex-linked with males being a "Yellow Golden" color and females Silver.

Chris

 

[Reurra]

The parents of this bird were both black. Im not sure where the breeding comes from, but we are in canada, so Im not sure if it was a shipment from the states or someone in the area.