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[MotherofOrpies]

What I find interesting is that in Germany, if you are privately insured you have a higher risk of dying than if you have regular health insurance, why?! Cos operating brings money, but are dangerous, so privately insured people are pushed to have operations they might not need cos their doctors need cash infusion into their accounts, my husband, who studied law, attended a seminar which was titled :“ the doctor as a business person „, many people still think that doctors follow the Hippocratic oath, but a lot ( not all!) are in it for the money ..

 

[Rick589]

Same here. Hubby and I see him once a year for our annual physical. If he sees something then, we'll discuss it then. If we need to pursue it, we will. If it's just something to keep an eye on, we will.

Thank goodness our doc is NOT a pill pusher. He understands that hubby and I do NOT want to be on pills unless absolutely necessary. Hubby has one that he will need to take the rest of his life. I have no prescription meds, and I plan to keep it that way.

Who is most responsible for my health? ME.

We are definitely on the same page. Same page, same paragraph, same sentence, same word.

 

[Rick589]

Sissy generations - a perfect description.

 

[Molpet]

I am old, really old and have never willingly been to the doctor. I would probably go if I was dying of some horrible painful condition just for the drugs. After all, what more harm can they do if I'm already dying? (New England journal of medicine has stated that there are more doctor caused deaths each year than from all major diseases combined. In their own publication. Wow. That alone is reason enough for me not to go)

Of course I had to look it up. They don't keep track, gee I wonder why . But studies suggest 3rd leading cause in hospitals... I go to the eye DR yearly and dentist for cleaning. I was thinking I should see a GP but...,

Johns Hopkins study suggests medical errors are third-leading cause of death in U.S. | Hub https://share.google/OaQgfR25VhFDpJ6qu

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK225187/

 

[jerryse]

I am not going to take aspirin as recommended by the neurologist. Heart doctor put me on Entresto blood thinner and said I did not need aspirin. Doctors seem to want old people to have all that bruising and bleeding. Nope.

 

[Rick589]

I am not going to take aspirin as recommended by the neurologist. Heart doctor put me on Entresto blood thinner and said I did not need aspirin. Doctors seem to want old people to have all that bruising and bleeding. Nope.

Yeah, this broad stroke nonsense of everyone at a certain age, body type, activity level, etc. doing and taking the same things 'just because' is ludicrous in my view. Take the BMI as an example of one metric that pigeonholes everyone because of the 'median'. As for medical research the end results of the research is often dependent on the mindset of those doing the research. How many health iteration has the egg, all the while not changing, gone through over the past couple of decades. I dismiss, or take with a grain of salt, every single health study that comes across the airwaves.

 

[Rick589]

What I find interesting is that in Germany, if you are privately insured you have a higher risk of dying than if you have regular health insurance, why?! Cos operating brings money, but are dangerous, so privately insured people are pushed to have operations they might not need cos their doctors need cash infusion into their accounts, my husband, who studied law, attended a seminar which was titled :“ the doctor as a business person „, many people still think that doctors follow the Hippocratic oath, but a lot ( not all!) are in it for the money ..

If you are not paying, or paying very little, for your healthcare you become the product being sold.

 

[MotherofOrpies]

If you are not paying, or paying very little, for your healthcare you become the product being sold.

It depends on how you define „cheap“ healthcare, a family I know have 2 grown up kids and they pay around 1800€ for 4 people, private insurance, that is not cheap im my opinion

 

[ShrekDawg]

I’m sure there are some, maybe even a lot of, doctors just in it for the money and I’m probably in the minority here but I really like all mine. They’re all really good. Maybe I’m just lucky that way, IDK. I think there’s just a lot of good doctors in this area in general. But they don’t try to push stuff on me and if there’s an issue or something, they do the proper testing or whatever to figure it out. But not excessive testing or anything. One of mine even wants me on less meds, only what is necessary. I know not all are like this.

 

[Rick589]

It depends on how you define „cheap“ healthcare, a family I know have 2 grown up kids and they pay around 1800€ for 4 people, private insurance, that is not cheap im my opinion

I see your point. However, I see the cost of insurance the price of access and once you access the system you become, in a sense, a product.