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BOSS is Black Oil Sunflower Seeds usually fed to cardinals.
BOSS is Black Oil Sunflower Seeds usually fed to cardinals.
What do i feed SHOW BIRDS!!
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As rodriguezpoultry said BOSS is short for Black Oil Sunflower Seed and is a excellent seed to add to your scratch grain..
BOSS has linoleic acid, source of fiber, protein, Vitamin E, B Vitamins, and they have minerals such as potassium, magnesium, iron, phosphorus, selenium, calcium and zinc.
Chris
BOSS has linoleic acid, source of fiber, protein, Vitamin E, B Vitamins, and they have minerals such as potassium, magnesium, iron, phosphorus, selenium, calcium and zinc.
Chris
Another good feed additive that you can use is the poultry conditioner that Manna Pro puts out.
You use:
Large breed: 1 3 tablespoons
Small breeds: 1 4 teaspoons
http://www.mannapro.com/poultry_cond.html#feeding_directions
Chris
You use:
Large breed: 1 3 tablespoons
Small breeds: 1 4 teaspoons
http://www.mannapro.com/poultry_cond.html#feeding_directions
Chris
Let's see some feathers from all these high powered feeds.....
What type of high-powered feeds are you talking about? The ones on the 1/2 layer crumble and 1/2 chicken scratch? Or are you wanting from the gamebird starter? The only ones on gamebird starter are the 4 week olds...I'm not impressed with their feathering.
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Again, Gamebird starter is nothing but chick starter with a higher % of soybean meal to bring the crude protein levels.
A ringneck pheasant and a wild turkey, a bobwhite quail even a muscovy duck can utilise that vegetable protein and put it into the formation of new feathers.
A junglefowl on the other hand, it's not designed for vegetable proteins as a chick. Indeed, it can stunt its growth.
Chickens of course are domesticated junglefowl, and a well bred lineage of a heritage breed is going to have more of the physiology of a junglefowl than a big industry commercial broiler, which typical chick feed is designed for.
A gamebird starter that is EXTRUDED KIBBLE can have roughly the same ingredients as one that is in the typical pellet or crumble format and be significantly more digestible for the birds because the heat process in making the kibble breaks down all these protected proteins.
If you are feeding some chicks a gamebird crumble and they are not growing all that well, increase the fat content of their diet- a bit of wheat germ oil over the top of their feed for example. This can be a big help. If you are going to feed a junglefowl a gamebird starter to you will need to supplement it with higher quality foods with a more complete spectrum of nutrients.
There is a tendency in poultry husbandry to belittle any effort to improve the quality of the poultry diet.
No one blinks an eye when someone attempts to select the best possible quality of nutrition for their dog or even aquarium fish.
Why is that? There are different breeds that come from different regions and that were developed on different kinds of feed- or at least different ratios of the same ingredients.
Langhshans are from cold weather Langshan China . The culture up there is dependent in some degree upon rice, millet porridge, barley noodles, lamb fat, almonds and beef.
We can expect that the original progenitors of the first Langshan to reach Europe were subsisting largely on whatever the peoples of Langhan China were no longer interested in eating and some special foods too. Yes, Langshans can and do eat whatever you put in front of them but it couldn't hurt to adopt some different diet plans for such a special cultural treasure.
Again, Gamebird starter is nothing but chick starter with a higher % of soybean meal to bring the crude protein levels.
A ringneck pheasant and a wild turkey, a bobwhite quail even a muscovy duck can utilise that vegetable protein and put it into the formation of new feathers.
A junglefowl on the other hand, it's not designed for vegetable proteins as a chick. Indeed, it can stunt its growth.
Chickens of course are domesticated junglefowl, and a well bred lineage of a heritage breed is going to have more of the physiology of a junglefowl than a big industry commercial broiler, which typical chick feed is designed for.
A gamebird starter that is EXTRUDED KIBBLE can have roughly the same ingredients as one that is in the typical pellet or crumble format and be significantly more digestible for the birds because the heat process in making the kibble breaks down all these protected proteins.
If you are feeding some chicks a gamebird crumble and they are not growing all that well, increase the fat content of their diet- a bit of wheat germ oil over the top of their feed for example. This can be a big help. If you are going to feed a junglefowl a gamebird starter to you will need to supplement it with higher quality foods with a more complete spectrum of nutrients.
There is a tendency in poultry husbandry to belittle any effort to improve the quality of the poultry diet.
No one blinks an eye when someone attempts to select the best possible quality of nutrition for their dog or even aquarium fish.
Why is that? There are different breeds that come from different regions and that were developed on different kinds of feed- or at least different ratios of the same ingredients.
Langhshans are from cold weather Langshan China . The culture up there is dependent in some degree upon rice, millet porridge, barley noodles, lamb fat, almonds and beef.
We can expect that the original progenitors of the first Langshan to reach Europe were subsisting largely on whatever the peoples of Langhan China were no longer interested in eating and some special foods too. Yes, Langshans can and do eat whatever you put in front of them but it couldn't hurt to adopt some different diet plans for such a special cultural treasure.
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just buy you a bag of gamecock feed , and maybe add a little bit of layer pellets
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True, but you've also got to consider that when these birds were developed, their sizes were much smaller than called for in the US SOP. The feather quality was also not that big of a concern.
The chicks are growing faster and have feathered out faster than others I've had, the feather quality seems to be lacking, but this is also the first time I've grown on a wire floor. I'm also worried that the high protein is causing the feathers to grow in faster than normal.
In several breeds, comparing the present-day birds with birds from the past is like night and day comparisons. In the US, we prefer statelier birds that look good and may or may not provide the same purpose that they originated for. In the country of origin, they may or may not still be used for their original purpose, depending on the person raising and breeding the bird.
True, but you've also got to consider that when these birds were developed, their sizes were much smaller than called for in the US SOP. The feather quality was also not that big of a concern.
The chicks are growing faster and have feathered out faster than others I've had, the feather quality seems to be lacking, but this is also the first time I've grown on a wire floor. I'm also worried that the high protein is causing the feathers to grow in faster than normal.
In several breeds, comparing the present-day birds with birds from the past is like night and day comparisons. In the US, we prefer statelier birds that look good and may or may not provide the same purpose that they originated for. In the country of origin, they may or may not still be used for their original purpose, depending on the person raising and breeding the bird.
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Again, Gamebird starter is nothing but chick starter with a higher % of soybean meal to bring the crude protein levels.
A ringneck pheasant and a wild turkey, a bobwhite quail even a muscovy duck can utilise that vegetable protein and put it into the formation of new feathers.
A junglefowl on the other hand, it's not designed for vegetable proteins as a chick. Indeed, it can stunt its growth.
Chickens of course are domesticated junglefowl, and a well bred lineage of a heritage breed is going to have more of the physiology of a junglefowl than a big industry commercial broiler, which typical chick feed is designed for.
A gamebird starter that is EXTRUDED KIBBLE can have roughly the same ingredients as one that is in the typical pellet or crumble format and be significantly more digestible for the birds because the heat process in making the kibble breaks down all these protected proteins.
If you are feeding some chicks a gamebird crumble and they are not growing all that well, increase the fat content of their diet- a bit of wheat germ oil over the top of their feed for example. This can be a big help. If you are going to feed a junglefowl a gamebird starter to you will need to supplement it with higher quality foods with a more complete spectrum of nutrients.
There is a tendency in poultry husbandry to belittle any effort to improve the quality of the poultry diet.
No one blinks an eye when someone attempts to select the best possible quality of nutrition for their dog or even aquarium fish.
Why is that? There are different breeds that come from different regions and that were developed on different kinds of feed- or at least different ratios of the same ingredients.
Langhshans are from cold weather Langshan China . The culture up there is dependent in some degree upon rice, millet porridge, barley noodles, lamb fat, almonds and beef.
We can expect that the original progenitors of the first Langshan to reach Europe were subsisting largely on whatever the peoples of Langhan China were no longer interested in eating and some special foods too. Yes, Langshans can and do eat whatever you put in front of them but it couldn't hurt to adopt some different diet plans for such a special cultural treasure.
What would you feed chicks? Gamebird starter with what kind of supplement?
Again, Gamebird starter is nothing but chick starter with a higher % of soybean meal to bring the crude protein levels.
A ringneck pheasant and a wild turkey, a bobwhite quail even a muscovy duck can utilise that vegetable protein and put it into the formation of new feathers.
A junglefowl on the other hand, it's not designed for vegetable proteins as a chick. Indeed, it can stunt its growth.
Chickens of course are domesticated junglefowl, and a well bred lineage of a heritage breed is going to have more of the physiology of a junglefowl than a big industry commercial broiler, which typical chick feed is designed for.
A gamebird starter that is EXTRUDED KIBBLE can have roughly the same ingredients as one that is in the typical pellet or crumble format and be significantly more digestible for the birds because the heat process in making the kibble breaks down all these protected proteins.
If you are feeding some chicks a gamebird crumble and they are not growing all that well, increase the fat content of their diet- a bit of wheat germ oil over the top of their feed for example. This can be a big help. If you are going to feed a junglefowl a gamebird starter to you will need to supplement it with higher quality foods with a more complete spectrum of nutrients.
There is a tendency in poultry husbandry to belittle any effort to improve the quality of the poultry diet.
No one blinks an eye when someone attempts to select the best possible quality of nutrition for their dog or even aquarium fish.
Why is that? There are different breeds that come from different regions and that were developed on different kinds of feed- or at least different ratios of the same ingredients.
Langhshans are from cold weather Langshan China . The culture up there is dependent in some degree upon rice, millet porridge, barley noodles, lamb fat, almonds and beef.
We can expect that the original progenitors of the first Langshan to reach Europe were subsisting largely on whatever the peoples of Langhan China were no longer interested in eating and some special foods too. Yes, Langshans can and do eat whatever you put in front of them but it couldn't hurt to adopt some different diet plans for such a special cultural treasure.
What would you feed chicks? Gamebird starter with what kind of supplement?
True, but you've also got to consider that when these birds were developed, their sizes were much smaller than called for in the US SOP. The feather quality was also not that big of a concern.
The chicks are growing faster and have feathered out faster than others I've had, the feather quality seems to be lacking, but this is also the first time I've grown on a wire floor. I'm also worried that the high protein is causing the feathers to grow in faster than normal.
In several breeds, comparing the present-day birds with birds from the past is like night and day comparisons. In the US, we prefer statelier birds that look good and may or may not provide the same purpose that they originated for. In the country of origin, they may or may not still be used for their original purpose, depending on the person raising and breeding the bird.
That's a good point. That said, if you were raising beef cattle for twenty years on corn and someone decided they liked grass fed beef better, would you switch the breed of cows or wean your herd of the corn?
I've seen these gorgeous Langshans over the years and it is no wonder they become so popular in Europe all those centuries ago and became the foundation of so many important breeds. If I were raising them, I'd put them on the same ration as the rest of my breeding stock and wouldn't be all that concerned with regionalism unless I were preparing the hen to deposit a whole clutch or if I were feeding chicks.
As for what would I feed chicks? I grind Ultrakibble and mix it into finch seed and grit. The mixture is 75% kibble to 25% finch/budgie seed. I also put out Farmers Helper babycakes every few weeks and an optimal foragecake once the birds are eight or nine weeks old.
Getting back to Langshans. I seem to remember reading that chicks with better air circulation ( that perch above the ground regulalry) tend to have superior air circulation and one consequence is that they develop their organs including their integument faster than those maintained on the ground.
The chicks are growing faster and have feathered out faster than others I've had, the feather quality seems to be lacking, but this is also the first time I've grown on a wire floor. I'm also worried that the high protein is causing the feathers to grow in faster than normal.
In several breeds, comparing the present-day birds with birds from the past is like night and day comparisons. In the US, we prefer statelier birds that look good and may or may not provide the same purpose that they originated for. In the country of origin, they may or may not still be used for their original purpose, depending on the person raising and breeding the bird.
That's a good point. That said, if you were raising beef cattle for twenty years on corn and someone decided they liked grass fed beef better, would you switch the breed of cows or wean your herd of the corn?
I've seen these gorgeous Langshans over the years and it is no wonder they become so popular in Europe all those centuries ago and became the foundation of so many important breeds. If I were raising them, I'd put them on the same ration as the rest of my breeding stock and wouldn't be all that concerned with regionalism unless I were preparing the hen to deposit a whole clutch or if I were feeding chicks.
As for what would I feed chicks? I grind Ultrakibble and mix it into finch seed and grit. The mixture is 75% kibble to 25% finch/budgie seed. I also put out Farmers Helper babycakes every few weeks and an optimal foragecake once the birds are eight or nine weeks old.
Getting back to Langshans. I seem to remember reading that chicks with better air circulation ( that perch above the ground regulalry) tend to have superior air circulation and one consequence is that they develop their organs including their integument faster than those maintained on the ground.
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