What do you think an EE is considered????

[amazondoc]

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Watch yer mouth!

How araucanas ever got APA recognition, I really don't know. But I think APA color restrictions are rather screwy -- like not accepting splash, for instance, even though it DOES breed true while blue DOESN'T! Hmph.

It always seems to me that poultry folks are more persnickety about color standards than dog folks. Hackle color, saddle color, eye color, leg color, earlobe color, pfffffaugh!! My theory is that the hypervigilance comes from the lack of poultry pedigrees, and all the recent out-crossing that goes into creating the poultry breeds and varieties.

Anyway -- as an araucana addict, I'm always sensitive to questions about "breeding true". And since I've ALSO got those blue genes floating around (blue wheaten in both araucanas and Marans, as well as blue birchen Marans coming this week!), I've got that issue to deal with as well. Soooooo many things to think about....

 

[Tailfeathers]

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This may go without saying but I just wanted to point out that there is a difference between "breed" and "variety". One may have several "varieties" of a single "breed". The reason that the Splash "variety" is not recognized by the APA is that there simply is no way to create a uniform Standard.

As for what is a "Breed", I say one must accept the National Organizations definition. The APA is clear about how one can go about getting a "breed" recognized. If you are working on a breed and it's not accepted, my suggestion is to go through the efforts of getting four others to join you in your desire and efforts and then submit the birds to the APA for acceptance.

As for calling something a breed when it's not, one can call something anything they want to but that doesn't make it so. The Truth is the Truth and it doesn't change just because someone wants it to, doesn't recognize it, or tries to redefine it.

God Bless,

 

[amazondoc]

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That is also screwy in the APA. You have to go through the very same approval process for each "variety" within a "breed". In fact, each variety is treated as though it WERE a separate breed. In terms of gaining APA approval, for instance, black copper Marans are completely unrelated to wheaten Marans. Which actually kind of makes sense, since in chickens different breeds were often used to create new color varieties within a breed.

The reason that the Splash "variety" is not recognized by the APA is that there simply is no way to create a uniform Standard.

Baloney. Dalmatians are a perfectly legit dog breed, even though each dog is marked differently.​

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Any bird that breeds true is a breed. APA or no APA. A lion is a breed of cat. It does not need a "National Organization" to be one.

 

[Tailfeathers]

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That's not the same thing and I imagine you know it. If you don't think my comment is true, would you mind telling us all why the APA does not recognize a Splash? And no opinions, just the facts please.

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No, here again you are confusing a "species" with a "breed". A lion is a "species" of cat. Just as a turkey is a species of bird and a chicken is a species of a bird. There are various breeds of turkeys and there are various breeds of chickens. I suppose one could look at the SCI, B&C, or P&Y Record Books and see if there are various breeds of lion. I'll leave that to you.

Furthermore, if you do not recognize the APA and/or ABA as "The Authority" for what is an accepted breed, then whose authority do you recognize? Yours? Well, that's convenient isn't it but where would we be if everyone got to go around and call whatever they had their own breed? I would surmise that we'd have Smith's breed of RIR, or Jones breed of BO's, or Miller's breed of Barred Rock. Now wouldn't that just be grand when it comes to trying to preserve, protect, improve, show, teach the kids about, and whatever else you can think of when it comes to "the breed"?

God Bless,

 

[amazondoc]

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That's not the same thing and I imagine you know it. If you don't think my comment is true, would you mind telling us all why the APA does not recognize a Splash? And no opinions, just the facts please.

Oh, I don't doubt that is the reasoning given by the APA. I just think it's a bogus excuse.

 

[chicken_boy_Kurt]

EEs are mutts, it's as simple as that.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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That's not the same thing and I imagine you know it. If you don't think my comment is true, would you mind telling us all why the APA does not recognize a Splash? And no opinions, just the facts please.

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No, here again you are confusing a "species" with a "breed". A lion is a "species" of cat. Just as a turkey is a species of bird and a chicken is a species of a bird. There are various breeds of turkeys and there are various breeds of chickens. I suppose one could look at the SCI, B&C, or P&Y Record Books and see if there are various breeds of lion. I'll leave that to you.

Furthermore, if you do not recognize the APA and/or ABA as "The Authority" for what is an accepted breed, then whose authority do you recognize? Yours? Well, that's convenient isn't it but where would we be if everyone got to go around and call whatever they had their own breed? I would surmise that we'd have Smith's breed of RIR, or Jones breed of BO's, or Miller's breed of Barred Rock. Now wouldn't that just be grand when it comes to trying to preserve, protect, improve, show, teach the kids about, and whatever else you can think of when it comes to "the breed"?

"What is a breed?

The classic definition of a "breed" is usually stated as a variation of this statement.

Animals that, through selection and breeding, have come to resemble one another and pass those traits uniformly to their offspring."
Breeds of Livestock Committee: Larry Burditt, Udaya Desilva and Jerry Fitch.

I don't care who breeds it or who recognizes it. If the breeder can show it breeds true I will except that it is a breed an not before. The rest of the world can do what they wont. Meeting the standard definition is all I require.

 

[moduckman]

Help me out, are you saying no splashvarieties are recognized by the APA? I know for a fact that the d'Anver splash is now recognized. Some devoted d'Anver breeders did all the work to get it recognized. To get a breed or variety recognized takes a fair amount of effort from a lot of people. They do the things to get recognized.

 

[amazondoc]

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Hey, thanks for mentioning this. I have started hearing rumors that a few splash varieties are starting to get recognized, but I haven't seen any visible proof yet (standards, show photos, etc.) so I can't tell if any of em are true, or just rumors.