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What do You think of it as U.S.A. citizens?

Discussion in 'Random Ramblings' started by kurka, Nov 28, 2010.

  1. kurka

    kurka Out Of The Brooder

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    I'm very curious what do You people living in USA think of this:
    http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/

    Because for me it's sad thing, like stealing something in majesty of law that don't exists YET. this is so not-democracy like, it is similar for me with what Stalin in Russia in comunism was doing.. Sorry for that harsh comparision but its the way i see this, as thing not leading to anything good. So I'm curious how You see this? I'm not sure is it a political topic - because i'm not from us and not keeping any political usa group site, so i think it's not but maybe You see this other way.
     
  2. Royd

    Royd Chillin' With My Peeps

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    From what I've read, the action, which is beyond the scope of the law, was taken, because average joe citizen was also doing something beyond the scope of the law...Namely, stealing something which they should have been compensating the artist for, which is music. Copyright laws are in place for a reason.

    As for the govt. heavy hand, I believe it's just one more little intentional provocation, to see how far they can push us, before we say enough.
     
  3. kurka

    kurka Out Of The Brooder

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    Copyright laws are in place for a reason - yes. But doing something beyond the scope of the law seems to be inproper for me. If not knowing the law is not the argument for excuse for someone who broke the law, knowing the law should not be used to work beyond the law too. I don't know most of that domains but the torrent searcher was something like specialised google, not breaking any rules by itself. I could search that information trough google too, but google is not closed yet, so where is the point. I have found backyard chickens trough google, so if i imagine google is "blocked" - i could never search that information. For me it's a free access to information thing. Some time ago my government was trying to do similar thing but people were protesting so they resigned from that project. But looking at ACTA negotiations, that process is more global, and tries "how far they can push" as you named it, are more common that i thought. Thing is, that there is possibility that when people will want to say that is enough it will be too late. Because i think it is enough now.

    edit: Thank You for your opinion.
     
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  4. PineappleMama

    PineappleMama Chillin' With My Peeps

    Theft is theft.. should be punished.

    But those in power are the ones who should, above all others, stay within the bounds of the law.

    If they're breaking it, what possible hope is there that anyone else will respect it?
     
  5. kurka

    kurka Out Of The Brooder

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    exactly.
     
  6. Royd

    Royd Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Are you just looking for information, or are you trying to download music, for free? I had a neighbor kid come into my house, and saw some change laying on the floor, which had spilled out of my pant pockets. I was just too lazy to pick it up, at the moment...Well, his attitude was that it was his, because he saw it laying there, and had I not seen him pick it up, he would have pocketed it, without a second thought.
    That seems to be a moral disconnect we have, with today's generation.

    Every dvd comes with a warning about trying to pirate it, with a fine and prison sentence attached.

    I'm not justifying what the govt. did...Next, it'll be a news site, who's agenda the current administration doesn't agree with. Then, it'll be your personal computer, if you say something, which they don't agree with.
     
  7. Goose and Fig

    Goose and Fig Grateful Geese

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    I believe pirating of music/artistic property is a FEDERAL offense. Hence the government stepping in. I think the feds are completely justified in this case, and should it prove that the website/search engine people aren't stealing anything, they will be exonerated.
     
  8. rebelcowboysnb

    rebelcowboysnb Confederate Money Farm Premium Member

    They got a court order to do it which looks bad on the judge if they prove later to be inside the law. Now they have to prove a case to keep them. Same as any other crime. If they cant prove it then they are libel for losses.
     
  9. desertdarlene

    desertdarlene Chillin' With My Peeps

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    As an artist, I, for one, am glad that the government is doing something about illegal copying and downloading. However, I only hope that all of this is done within the scope of the law. I don't want websites shut down because of the possibility that they might be doing something illegal without any proof that said site has broken the law.
     
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  10. kurka

    kurka Out Of The Brooder

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    Personally i'm not using torrent at all because i never learned how to..I prefer google. But this is for me like closing library for making catalogues of books, that somebody could steal that books content finding them trough searching trough library catalogue.. For me responsibility should be on a thief not on a library. Besides, some music and some text are free, and those are possible to find that way too.
    More, those domains were taken in usa by usa government but with results on the whole world [even there where that was completly nothing against those countries law], because ICANN who is registering the domains works international but is under usa, hmm, regulations? And there is a very little progress to make it really international.

    Royd: sorry for neighbours kid, but this generation didn't jump from an egg;) I guess his parents didn't tell him what is right and what is wrong and what he for sure shouldnt do in relation to other people.. Or maybe they themselves never thought that would be bad. Did you talked with them? This is i think a problem of mentality. There are children that would never touch that money, or asked before [maybe not counting toddlers which understand very little]. Stealing is bad.
     

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