I haven't ordered chicks from any of the big hatcheries, so I don't have any debeaked chicks, but I do have one that hatched with a shorter top beak. I named it Bully since it looks like a bulldog. It's the sweetest thing. It's a Black Langshen.
What does a de-beaked chicken look like? (beak trimmed)?
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So are there hatcheries that as a standard do this to their chicks? I want to make sure for future reference before I buy from someone new.
Like declawing a cat, you cut off enough of the tip so the part of the beak has nowhere to grow back from. Only difference is in cats I think they cut up to the first toe joint.
Its a lose lose situation in many places where they raise these animals. If they are caged up and not debeaked, they peck each other to death due to boredom. In that respect, it is better for them. However, in the home flock, it is a disadvantage as they don't have the desire to pick each other to pieces because they have better things to do.
What we all have to do is promote the movement of small scale chicken raising so that we can supply our own eggs and maybe the eggs of a few neighbors. If we can do that, there won't be the need to buy them from the store, even though it will still exist for high density housing areas where it is not an option to keep birds. This way and fewer birds will be raised commercially and not need their beaks trimmed for their own safety in those conditions. Change starts from the bottom up on the consumer level. Attacking the big guy at the top = effective blood shed in the long run.
Education is key, what is the saying? Give a man a fish and he will eat tonight, teach a man HOW to fish, and he will eat forever? I don't quite remember the right way that goes but that's the idea.
Its a lose lose situation in many places where they raise these animals. If they are caged up and not debeaked, they peck each other to death due to boredom. In that respect, it is better for them. However, in the home flock, it is a disadvantage as they don't have the desire to pick each other to pieces because they have better things to do.
What we all have to do is promote the movement of small scale chicken raising so that we can supply our own eggs and maybe the eggs of a few neighbors. If we can do that, there won't be the need to buy them from the store, even though it will still exist for high density housing areas where it is not an option to keep birds. This way and fewer birds will be raised commercially and not need their beaks trimmed for their own safety in those conditions. Change starts from the bottom up on the consumer level. Attacking the big guy at the top = effective blood shed in the long run.
Education is key, what is the saying? Give a man a fish and he will eat tonight, teach a man HOW to fish, and he will eat forever? I don't quite remember the right way that goes but that's the idea.
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Not as far as I know. (Not regular hatcheries that sell small amounts of chicks to individuals, that is, as opposed to places supplying big battery-hen operations etc).
It's just for hatchery and feedstore *started pullets* that it is routine, because of the way they are ranched up for sale (crowded conditions, not much individual care).
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"Give a man a fish and he will eat tonight; give a man a chicken and teach him how to incubate eggs, and his wife will kill him but their chickens will eat forever and live in an ever-expanding coop" ?
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Not as far as I know. (Not regular hatcheries that sell small amounts of chicks to individuals, that is, as opposed to places supplying big battery-hen operations etc).
It's just for hatchery and feedstore *started pullets* that it is routine, because of the way they are ranched up for sale (crowded conditions, not much individual care).
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"Give a man a fish and he will eat tonight; give a man a chicken and teach him how to incubate eggs, and his wife will kill him but their chickens will eat forever and live in an ever-expanding coop" ?
Pat
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Just to be very clear here, I've never heard of a hatchery debeaking day olds to be sold in small lots. I've bought hatchery day olds several times, including a couple of weeks ago, and I've never in my life seen a debeaked chicken other than in pics. I think we're still safe when we order day olds; it's the started pullets that are another story.
Just to be very clear here, I've never heard of a hatchery debeaking day olds to be sold in small lots. I've bought hatchery day olds several times, including a couple of weeks ago, and I've never in my life seen a debeaked chicken other than in pics. I think we're still safe when we order day olds; it's the started pullets that are another story.
The hatchery here will trim beaks for an extra charge, but the feed store that orders from them does not buy them that way. I don't like it. I don't think that the massive overcrowded operations are a humane way to keep animals so I have a hard time buying that as a good reason to trim beaks. If you have to justify maiming the birds in order to keep them in awful torturous conditions, it just does not hold water.
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Here it is, 12:30 a.m., and I wish to high heaven I had gone on to bed instead of deciding to browse through this new forum I found a couple of nights ago for a little while....
This is TERRIBLE! I had no idea they would do this to an animal... I swear, I am constantly amazed what idiots some people are. They have no business being any where close to an animal! I'd like to take a horse whip to them! (Sure wouldn't use it on a horse!)
Makes me think of the morons that don't think branding cattle hurts them. Well, hand me the branding iron and pull down your pants and let's see!
Sickening....
This is TERRIBLE! I had no idea they would do this to an animal... I swear, I am constantly amazed what idiots some people are. They have no business being any where close to an animal! I'd like to take a horse whip to them! (Sure wouldn't use it on a horse!)
Makes me think of the morons that don't think branding cattle hurts them. Well, hand me the branding iron and pull down your pants and let's see!
Sickening....
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Chicks that are destined for large, industrial poultry operations are not debeaked at the hatchery. Debeaking is generally done at about six weeks of age when the results of the operation are much more controlable due to the size of the birds at that time, Day old debeaking was abandoned a long time ago by the industry.
An improperly debeaked bird that cannot eat or drink at an optimum level in an industrial situation is not as efficient and therefore is not tolerated. I have been involved in lawsuits where improperly debeaked birds resulted in millions of dollars in damages being awarded
BTW commercial turkey poults are "debeaked' day old, But the beak is not trimmed at that time, It is scored by a precision laser so that several days later it will drop off.
An improperly debeaked bird that cannot eat or drink at an optimum level in an industrial situation is not as efficient and therefore is not tolerated. I have been involved in lawsuits where improperly debeaked birds resulted in millions of dollars in damages being awarded
BTW commercial turkey poults are "debeaked' day old, But the beak is not trimmed at that time, It is scored by a precision laser so that several days later it will drop off.
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What is the reason that they dont do this for chickens? Being that debeaking is so widely used?
What is the reason that they dont do this for chickens? Being that debeaking is so widely used?
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