what happened to global warming pun intended

[Mahonri]

Quote:
You are correct.. .I think I can find a VAST 'majority' of scientists who will say it's a cycle and that the earth is NOT warming.

There was a time when there were farms in Greenland. (Late 1600's early 1700's) Was that global warming? NO IT WAS NOT!

Did all of the polar bears die? Was it because of the vast burning of oil and gas? Absolutely not!

Soon there might be farms in Greenland again, but I wouldn't plan on starting up a permanent farming operation there anytime soon. The cold cycle will return.

Here is a great article from a common sense meteorologist.

http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx

Here is a quote from the article:

“If we go back really, in recorded human history, in the 13th Century, we were probably 7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than we are now and it was a very prosperous time for mankind,” Lehr said. “If we go back to the Revolutionary War 300 years ago, it was very, very cold. We’ve been warming out of that cold spell from the Revolutionary War period and now we’re back into a cooling cycle.”

Lehr suggested the earth is presently entering a cooling cycle – a result of nature, not man.

“The last 10 years have been quite cool,” Lehr continued. “And right now, I think we’re going into cooling rather than warming and that should be a much greater concern for humankind. But, all we can do is adapt. It is the sun that does it, not man.”

 

[arlee453]

All I can tell you is that when i was a kid, the news story was that we were entering a 'new ice age' because of the exact same things (carbon emissions, pollution, etc) that they claim is causing this global warming.

Two facts to point out here....

1) the hysteria that humans are impacting our environment and that is a 'baaaaaaaaad' thing.... truth is that organisms way before we arrived on this planet have been impacting climate for millions and millions of years. What do you think happened to turn our toxic soup of an atmosphere into air that is breathable for us humans? it was the result of organisms releasing O2 into the air. Back before the dinosaur days, there was so much plant life that O2 levels were MUCH higher than they are now - that's what allowed dragonflies to be 2 feet long, and also contributed to the rise of the mega fauna (dinosaurs). My point is, that we humans are not the first organisms to affect the atmosphere and climate and won't be the last. Now should we be taking better care of the earth, and be less wasteful with our resources?? Absolutely! is what we are doing going to wipe out all life on earth? I really really don't think so.

2) I keep hearing these so-called 'experts' claiming that the earth is warming based on our weather records. We've only been keeping good records for about the last 100 years. Pshaw. 100 years is a blink of an eye - or less, more like 1/10000ths of a blink of an eye. To claim that weather records support global warming is rediculous. As someone else pointed out weather and climate are two separate things. It's like saying you have leukemia just because you are running a slight fever. Body temperature is not enough to diagnose any specific illness. Better indicators are things like ice core samples, etc. And those show what Mahonri pointed out - there have always been and will always be huge fluctations in global climate between warming and cooling, and that actually we've been in a cool period for the last couple of hundred years - an unusually cold period.

If the earth is truly warming up, I think it is frankly impossible to predict how warm it will get and for how long. I also think it is impossible to determine how much of that warming trend is due to human activity and how much is just the normal fluctuations of our planet. I think it is the height of arrogance to assume that we humans are so all-powerful that we can change the global systems of the earth.

My own opinion? We should do what we can to be good stewards of what God has given us on this wonderful creation of the earth. Does that mean that doomsday is coming due to our previous mis-use? I don't think so. In the past eons, extinction events have been either due to mass volcanic activity (permian extinction - before the age of the dinosaurs, and the largest extinction event) or outside influences (comet strike, K-T extinction - the one that got the dinosaurs).

 

[conroy]

I had taken a course on Life in the Universe a couple years ago. That prof. told us the earth has a carbon cycle that last ~40000-42000 years. Cant remember exactly but he also said that the earth is more likely to freeze... I mean eventually in like 5 billion years we may burn up when the sun is about to die...but until then I believe we are going through a normal cycle, we have just added to the cycle but somehow I have a feeling it will get corrected... we might not like how the earth does this... something will probably happen to wipe out half of us.. that shold take care of our footprint for a while.

 

[Reinbeau]

I've said this before and will continue to say it. Tying pollution to global warming is a bad way to get people to wake up and take care of the planet. We shouldn't pollute because it's polluting the only planet we have, not because it's going to do a thing to affect global warming. As for the vast majority of scientists,

, there's a vast majority who recognize there isn't enough research to show anything associated with what we call global warming is actually affecting the earth's cycles. As a matter of fact, the vast majority will admit that we don't understand enough about the solar climate, what the solar winds do to us, and we really don't know if anything else out there is affecting it. In a nutshell, we don't know much - and those who are on the global warming bandwagon see where the money is, so they're climbing right on. If they don't, they lose grant money, which is their bread and butter.

The short term trend, since 1998, is cooling here in the majority of the US. And ten years before that they were telling us we were all going to freeze to death in the dark, and had everyone believing it as much as they now believe in 'global warming'. Follow the money, folks.

Be good stewards of the earth. Be green. Force these companies around us to build environmental consciousness into their bottom line. And don't give up your woolies, you're going to need them.

 

[Wifezilla]

Yes, I remember the "pollution is going to cause another ice age" lessons back in the 70's. It was junk science back then and global warming is junk science now.

Trying to mutate the term to "climate change" so they don't look like idiots while all of us are freezing to death isn't working.

 

[conroy]

 

[smom1976]

Quote:
well said we do need to clean up after ourselves..

 

[Birch Run Farm]

Chicken Little said the sky was falling too.

The Earth is doing what it normally does, weather patterns have always fluctuated and gone in 10 to 20 year cycles. Still, there are a lot of ninnies out there convinced the end is near.

They WANT to BELIEVE.

Anyway, snow accumulations here have been the following:

2007 - Nine feet

2008 - Twelve feet, I had snow until May 15th, 2008.

All were 'record' years

I am betting by the end of 2009 winter the snow total beats the above two years and will be another record. As of today we are already ahead of last year's accumulations for the same time period and another big storm is coming for Sunday. Prediciton: Fifteen feet

There really is no normal other than in my area of the world we get 5 seasons and they come quite regularly. Each day is different, each year can be a little different but the seasons are the same.

I gotta go plow snow now...........

 

[conroy]

Birch Run Farm... you avatar scares me

 

[birdnutz]

I've read that it's normal cycling of the earth. But that our pollution has sped them up. So the earth isn't recovering fast enough. Hence the melting of the polar ice.