What happens when foxes start eating chickens (graphic)

[mowin]

Coyotes can't harass our chickens with the kind of set up I've got. They can't see them thru the pallet fence until they come close enough to be shot. The coop is very close to the house too which makes it less appealing to bigger predators. Our chickens come first!

So should everyone be required to have a setup like yours? Is that what your saying? I could argue that your abusing your chicken by not letting them see past their run. Who's right? You, me?

Any predator that breaches my fence is a threat. It gets shot. My livestock comes first!

 

[mowin]

You rephrased my answer and shaped it to suit you, deliberately mentioning people who keep hamsters-ha ha ha, nice try!
You didn't read my entire post from the beginning, but you immediately wrote that I was talking nonsense and that the law on the protection of wild animals is not enforced in Germany!
According to your first post, foxes are allowed to be killed in Germany, which I immediately wrote that you are lying - after that you link to the European regulation on invasive animals, which "may be killed", but there are no foxes on it!? What do you have to say now?
I immediately wrote that only hunters are allowed to kill and that with a permit - you also denied that (because the topic states that all people in the USA are allowed to kill predators), then you write that only hunters are allowed to kill - LOL!
You are contradicting yourself!
OK let's say you're a hunter, let's say you have a license, let's say you're in Europe, let's say fox hunting is open... you can't shoot with a rifle within 100 m of a settlement, have you forgotten that there is also that law - the law that cancels all your licenses and the law you can go to jail for.
I personally think that the EU law on the protection of wild animals is very good and that all countries of the world should have it!
Predators are very important for a healthy ecosystem!
Fence your animals with wire netting, don't let the predator get in and you've solved the problem! If you keep a free range, then get a dog that will defend and chase the foxes very well! There are electric fences... there is always a way to defend your animals, instead to kill predators!
I repeat, if you cannot properly fence and protect your animals, you should be banned from keeping animals, because you are not a good farmer!
I personally would like to keep ostriches, but I don't have the conditions for them - that's why I don't keep them, you see how simple it is!

Maybe you should stop calling people liars. You have your opinion, we have ours. Calling someone a liar is ignorant and should not be tolerated on any site, including this one.

Oh, Mr fox was eliminated last night in your honor. My livestock thanks you for your support.

 

[NorthwoodsChick]

You rephrased my answer and shaped it to suit you, deliberately mentioning people who keep hamsters-ha ha ha, nice try!
You didn't read my entire post from the beginning, but you immediately wrote that I was talking nonsense and that the law on the protection of wild animals is not enforced in Germany!
According to your first post, foxes are allowed to be killed in Germany, which I immediately wrote that you are lying - after that you link to the European regulation on invasive animals, which "may be killed", but there are no foxes on it!? What do you have to say now?
I immediately wrote that only hunters are allowed to kill and that with a permit - you also denied that (because the topic states that all people in the USA are allowed to kill predators), then you write that only hunters are allowed to kill - LOL!
You are contradicting yourself!
OK let's say you're a hunter, let's say you have a license, let's say you're in Europe, let's say fox hunting is open... you can't shoot with a rifle within 100 m of a settlement, have you forgotten that there is also that law - the law that cancels all your licenses and the law you can go to jail for.
I personally think that the EU law on the protection of wild animals is very good and that all countries of the world should have it!
Predators are very important for a healthy ecosystem!
Fence your animals with wire netting, don't let the predator get in and you've solved the problem! If you keep a free range, then get a dog that will defend and chase the foxes very well! There are electric fences... there is always a way to defend your animals, instead to kill predators!
I repeat, if you cannot properly fence and protect your animals, you should be banned from keeping animals, because you are not a good farmer!
I personally would like to keep ostriches, but I don't have the conditions for them - that's why I don't keep them, you see how simple it is!

In the US individual state DNR determine hunting (and fishing) regulations. Not ALL animals are considered predators; many are protected either nationally or on a state level. Wildlife conservation with hunting regulations is based on the regions habitat and its ability to sustain a healthy wildlife population. Coyote in my state is considered over populated and it is open for hunting all year with a license. On private land no license is needed.
Wolves, bear, bobcat, cougar cannot be killed without a damn good documented, caught in the act, reason. However, if life is immediately threatened you have the right to defend yourself or others.
We are not the EU, and, although you and I are allowed our opinion, that does not mean one is superior to the other. Clearly the cultures are different and local wildlife circumstances dictate the need or not for regulation, so agree to disagree.

 

[roosterhavoc]

You rephrased my answer and shaped it to suit you, deliberately mentioning people who keep hamsters-ha ha ha, nice try!
You didn't read my entire post from the beginning, but you immediately wrote that I was talking nonsense and that the law on the protection of wild animals is not enforced in Germany!
According to your first post, foxes are allowed to be killed in Germany, which I immediately wrote that you are lying - after that you link to the European regulation on invasive animals, which "may be killed", but there are no foxes on it!? What do you have to say now?
I immediately wrote that only hunters are allowed to kill and that with a permit - you also denied that (because the topic states that all people in the USA are allowed to kill predators), then you write that only hunters are allowed to kill - LOL!
You are contradicting yourself!
OK let's say you're a hunter, let's say you have a license, let's say you're in Europe, let's say fox hunting is open... you can't shoot with a rifle within 100 m of a settlement, have you forgotten that there is also that law - the law that cancels all your licenses and the law you can go to jail for.
I personally think that the EU law on the protection of wild animals is very good and that all countries of the world should have it!
Predators are very important for a healthy ecosystem!
Fence your animals with wire netting, don't let the predator get in and you've solved the problem! If you keep a free range, then get a dog that will defend and chase the foxes very well! There are electric fences... there is always a way to defend your animals, instead to kill predators!
I repeat, if you cannot properly fence and protect your animals, you should be banned from keeping animals, because you are not a good farmer!
I personally would like to keep ostriches, but I don't have the conditions for them - that's why I don't keep them, you see how simple it is!

You must either be a kid or have a child’s mentality. You don’t yet know how much you don’t know.

 

[ikoCRO]

Maybe you should stop calling people liars. You have your opinion, we have ours. Calling someone a liar is ignorant and should not be tolerated on any site, including this one.

Oh, Mr fox was eliminated last night in your honor. My livestock thanks you for your support.

I notice that a lot of people here don't know how to use the forum rules
and doesn't know what "replay" "quote" means...!
I didn't call all of you here liars, but only the guy from Germany, who claimed that in Germany you can kill animals just like in the USA!
I quoted him clearly and replied to his post!
When I think of fencing animals, then I mean complete fencing with a quality net, with laying (preventing digging), covering from all sides and from above! This is called an aviary in Croatia.
The animals then do not suffer, because the size of the aviary depends on the number of birds in the flock - prescribed by law.
"Free range" mode is protected by electric shepherds(fence,wire), dogs, houses or objects that enable the birds to escape to safety!
The EU law is written in such detail that it has a solution for every problem, it is humane and civilized!
It is clear to me that in the USA people simply buy weapons like Europeans buy bread, and that people's mentality is different! But you have to understand that just as It's strange to an American that people in China keep dogs and cats, to a European it's strange that an American buys a rifle without any medical/psychiatric license in an ordinary store and kills wild game in a populated place!

 

[roosterhavoc]

I notice that a lot of people here don't know how to use the forum rules
and doesn't know what "replay" "quote" means...!
I didn't call all of you here liars, but only the guy from Germany, who claimed that in Germany you can kill animals just like in the USA!
I quoted him clearly and replied to his post!
When I think of fencing animals, then I mean complete fencing with a quality net, with laying (preventing digging), covering from all sides and from above! This is called an aviary in Croatia.
The animals then do not suffer, because the size of the aviary depends on the number of birds in the flock - prescribed by law.
"Free range" mode is protected by electric shepherds(fence,wire), dogs, houses or objects that enable the birds to escape to safety!
The EU law is written in such detail that it has a solution for every problem, it is humane and civilized!
It is clear to me that in the USA people simply buy weapons like Europeans buy bread, and that people's mentality is different! But you have to understand that just as It's strange to an American that people in China keep dogs and cats, to a European it's strange that an American buys a rifle without any medical/psychiatric license in an ordinary store and kills wild game in a populated place!

We teach kids to shoot shotguns too. Take your nonsense elsewhere.

 

[roosterhavoc]

If you look closely you’ll see a knife in his pocket too. The horror!!!

 

[LaFleche]

I didn't call all of you here liars, but only the guy from Germany, who claimed that in Germany you can kill animals just like in the USA!
I quoted him clearly and replied to his post!

That is where you went wrong, and twisting someones text to suit your own prejudice and justify your poor style is just not worth any more reactions from my side.

Thank god for the "ignore" button.

 

[mowin]

I didn't call all of you here liars, but only the guy from Germany..

Doesn't matter if you called everyone a liar or just one person.

I don't think you know what the forum rules are. Do you think it's in the forum rules allow one to call another a liar? You obviously have issues with us following our laws. Please don't move to the USA and bring your distorted values and opinions here.

Your fine with your hunting organization or societies as you call them, killing fox so YOU don't have to. They are effectively keeping the population under control, correct? Were doing the same thing here in the states except us as citizens don't need some organization to do it for us.

And before you go and assume we shoot in populated places, maybe you should do a little homework as discharging a firearm in populated areas is illegal in most states.

 

[Feathers of Eden]

Yes, let’s ask the mountain lions and jaguars in Texas how well that worked out. Or timber wolves, grizzly bears, black bears, and others in much of their historical native ranges.

There’s a reason the scariest thing in the UK is a hedgehog. lol They hunted everything else into extinction. Just because you have the right to do something does not make it the right thing to do. People once thought the oceans were too vast for us to affect them. We now know that is wrong.

That being said, if your animals are properly contained and protected from predation, and you experience losses, I think you are within your rights to remove a nuisance animal through humane practices. But your rights, just because you have the mental capacity to think of them, does not mean animals doing what comes naturally to them is any less important or rightful.

I say foxes are top predators there. In London foxes live in backyards and woods the way our urban Racoons live in North American large cities.

Meanwhile they are not even close to re introduce wolf but they have some beavers and otters back to their streams by re introduction.